Right now, if you win the TYW as the Evangelical league, Reformed cannot get elected HRE. Please adjust this so that Reformed can also become HRE under the conditions that the Evangelicals win.
Include Reformed as Victors for the Evangelical League
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reformed cant even be warleader at that war. pope as protestant and ottomans on catholic side are much bigger problems.
Would also be nice if league leaders updated properly. I have to reload the game to get that to work.
Also, after winning as the Evangelical union, the HRE would sometimes get elected from a totally random Protestant participant - oftentimes they are an opm that's not even in the HRE nor the war-leader, such as Tyrone in my last game (despite my having had 3 electors vassalized and the majority of the votes).
Love the mechanics so far, but they need some fixing.
Also, after winning as the Evangelical union, the HRE would sometimes get elected from a totally random Protestant participant - oftentimes they are an opm that's not even in the HRE nor the war-leader, such as Tyrone in my last game (despite my having had 3 electors vassalized and the majority of the votes).
Love the mechanics so far, but they need some fixing.
@roflpotamus have u been reformed? after winning, only protestant can become emporer
That's what I'm saying. I want Reformed to also be able to be Emperor if the Evangelical union wins.
Protestants and Reformed being counted as the same 'side' doesn't make sense with the current mechanic where they consider each other heresies. If Protestants elected a Reformed Emperor that Emperor would start converting them to Reformed.
That said, I want to do something with Reformed to include them in the League system in the future. Perhaps just as an alternative opposition instead of Protestants, if Reformed is the stronger faith.
That said, I want to do something with Reformed to include them in the League system in the future. Perhaps just as an alternative opposition instead of Protestants, if Reformed is the stronger faith.
Thanks!
This might be important since with Centers of Reformation, Reformed actually have influence now.
Eventually what I feel is that they should be tolerated heretic to each other, and both are okay wrt emperor election etc (maybe a small malus of say -20).
Currently, the Catholic league seems to be much stronger than the Protestant league. Also in real-world terms, most of the "Reformed/Calvanists" fought for the Evangelical league instead of the Catholics. I would get it if Lutheranism and Calvanism were diametrically opposed, but in history they were more like cousins that fought together for religious freedom.
Reformed and Protestant not on the same side makes total sense, as they really had harsh words with one another, and Protestants siding with Catholics to fight Reformed countries happened more often than not. Maybe the Reformed side could be asked to join a losing side so that their power helps ensure a stalemate/Peace of Westphalia that allows them to be electors/emperors.
In history Protestants were actually more inclined towards the catholic emperor, than reformed princes. In fact Saxony was allied with Austria for about the entire war except 1630 to 1635. Brandenburg too was forced to join the 'Protestant' side by Sweden pillaging its countryside and after the peace of Prague (1635) it sided with the Emperor too. The real, consistent enemies of the Emperor were mainly Reformed countries (Palatinate, Hesse-Kassel and Netherlands are the first to come to my mind).
Perhaps make Protestants and Reformed have a coheretic modifier where they both tolerate eachother, and protestants/reformed wont attempt to demand conversion of other protestants/reformed?
Reformed and Protestant not on the same side makes total sense, as they really had harsh words with one another, and Protestants siding with Catholics to fight Reformed countries happened more often than not. Maybe the Reformed side could be asked to join a losing side so that their power helps ensure a stalemate/Peace of Westphalia that allows them to be electors/emperors.
Not exactly correct. Even if they disagreed with eachother, they tended to unite in the face of Catholic dogma. Infact, the Protestant League was originally formed by reformed members of the HRE, whom felt the most threatened since they were not protected by cuius regio, eius religio like the Protestants were.
It varied a lot. Sometimes Lutherans and Calvinists got along well, other times they didn't. In the years leading up to the 30YW there was a lot of tension between the two groups and while there was little in the way of outright armed conflict, it was far from a unified "anti-catholic" front, with plenty of occasions of, usually Protestants, siding with Catholics over Calvinists (albeit usually not for religious reasons) and there certainly were many attempts to convert people from one to the other (witness how Frederick managed to alienate many Bohemians by trying to impose Calvinism on them during his short reign).
Within the Empire, Protestant rulers did often side with the Emperor, even if their people might've been more inclined towards helping Calvinists - usually for legal reasons as opposed to confessional ones, i.e. they considered the institutions of the more important than religious ones - particularly in the early years of the war, and as you point out, the "Protestant" League was actually more of a Reformed one, due to the refusal of the most significant Protestant ruler, John George of Saxony, to join (he actually fought alongside the Emperor in the Bohemian Revolt) until forced to later in the war (and promptly got out of the conflict ASAP). Frankly, if the war was done "historically", it should begin with Imperial (containing Catholics and many Protestant rulers) vs Rebel (mainly Reformed rulers but much Protestant support) and only switch to more "Catholic" vs "Everyone else" lines later.
I could live with this. Actually, I'd probably happily take this if it was implemented decently (and I'm fairly sure you guys could pull it off; it's just a matter of when).
Gameplay wise, make sure we can be reformed emperor without turning ourselves inside out.
Oh, Reformed can't be War Leader? This would explain why attacking Austria didn't trigger the League War like it should have (my nation is Reformed).
However, I think it's bugged. The League War didn't ignite but Austria was allowed to call in all its League buddies and all of its normal Alliances (was a rough war, lol).
However, I think it's bugged. The League War didn't ignite but Austria was allowed to call in all its League buddies and all of its normal Alliances (was a rough war, lol).