via Imgflip Meme GeneratorThough as a Zoroastrian Shah I did have my male character marry is mother.
He had 15 children with her by the end.
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Incest marriages for all religions
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via Imgflip Meme GeneratorThough as a Zoroastrian Shah I did have my male character marry is mother.
He had 15 children with her by the end.
Despite the CK2 mechanics, from what I've read of Zoroastrianism incestuous marriage was still very rare, I think only specific dynasties or specific regions did it at all if I recall correctly.
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Look at all those strong jawlines though. Clearly the Hapsburgs were the genetic superiors of the time. Übermenschen, if I dare say so myself.
"Couple occasions". Technically there were just three according to this but the problem was all of it combined. (Aka poor Charles II, only legitimate child of his father (out of 20+ illegitimate bastards).
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Wrong! Wrong!! Wrong!!!
BS!
First and Second Cousins and Nieces, never siblings.
Never sisters.
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Name 2 such marriages.
They usually did cousins and they just started after Charles 5.
What difference it makes?
Marriage is secular alliance, what is regognised by god(church). What happens if church not regognizing it. Nothing! Alliance still stays, church can hate it and pious ppl also, but mostly no one cares becouse most people are sinful.Alliance is between 2 people and they still can give they stats to each other, event if it against law of men and god.
So i think it should be able to all, and it should be tied to Ai_rationality so rational people who cant aford church and people to hate it, just dont make it.
In medevial, it was sin and it was criminal act, but has law ever prevented free will.
So i think it should add some flovor events, like making "sinful" PROPOSAL to your sibling or parent/child to rule together and spit on public opinion, Or start to quest to find wicked priest to wed you and give a plessing of god.
Hardcoded restrictions are rather pointless. I like more act and punishment solution.
In reallife medevial people were afraid to get punished by god or dissed by people so they avaided to break a law or commit a sin. But there is always pope who can excommunicate for sin like incest so make it more ral and more sandbox.
Would be nice to plot to kill my beanbreain liege for marryng his sister and get support by others. Or revoke my dumb vassal title for commiting a sin.
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When you are talking about marriages, especially the one beetween people with titles and lands, you are talking about contracts. Its not only free choiche of love, so if the church and the common view say "no", its a "no", because it need to be legal. If you want your forbidden love its ok, but not marriages.
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I cannot even think of even one example and, upon further research, even find one example of two siblings of a noble house getting married to each other in either the Christian or Islamic world during the Middle Ages, but maybe someone can show me otherwise. That being said, there's really nothing preventing your character from sticking it to their brother or sister in the game. So knock yourself out.
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If a church doesn't recognize it, it does not exist. Marriage is absolutely not secular in the medieval period.
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oh you dont get the point it about a choice. Act and consequence. In real medevial world, people avoided it becouse in their morality it was wrong, not becouse some unseen divine force stoped them. It not about sticking eachother it about choice you can make and consequences you can bear for taboo action.
In ck2 marriage is alliance contract between peoples. For rulers it can give you adional effect. Spouse stats give bonus for your realm. So goal is not to just stick your sibling but get alliance contract for realm with him/her. Why it is some much different for having marriage aka alliance contract with random people vs sibling/child/parent. All powerful should not care what is wrong and what is right they just do and there can be consequences, if they cant handle it then its they mistake. In medevial world even if there were unnatural urges for family members, rulers were smart eneught to not expose them to public aka marry. ANd it was totaly act of free will what they did not to risk they reputation and life to commit sinful and taboo act. They didnt feel some unseen divine force to stop them, but only rational mind and pious belives. But in ck2 Ai_rationality can go to -100 and even rational characters can decide to his sister stats are too good to choose some other spouse.
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I remember priest bless the marriage not church. So wicked or Bribed priest can still wed 2 people and as we know priest can be corrupt.
But we also can see it as, norse pagan, hinduism, romova, suomoneske and other religions. There was no cetnralised religion and people cnsidered them self marryd in alliance anyway. So in cristaianity or muslim, so what if religion considers it taboo and not giving a blessing for it, it still shold give spouse stats boost id people declear them self marryd and allied as husband and wife.
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Actually, you're wrong about that. There was such a thing as secular marriage during the Middle Ages. Probably not among the nobles though.
You can commit plenty of taboo acts, such as sleeping with your siblings. That being said, marriage is a legal matter when it comes to the noble houses. Crusader Kings II may be a sandboxish game, but the player is still bound by history to a certain extent, time-traveling Aztec invaders notwithstanding. For a similar reason as to why two male and two female characters who are homosexual cannot marry each other in the game, despite being lovers, two close siblings cannot. It is simply a preposterous deviation from reality and completely ahistorical.
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There is no "secular" in this period, or rather "secular" just means, "in the world" as opposed to in a monastery "regular".
Now, it is true that the Church did NOT have absolute control over the contracting of marriages in this period. However, what the Church DID have effective control over administration of law in most countries, and in Muslim countries religion WAS law.
So, you could say the marriage vow with your sister and that might be a "marriage" but the Church would declare it illegal and your children would still be bastards. There was an example of one late-medieval Count who "married" sister on the forums a while back but I can't remember the name. He wasn't immediately stripped of his lands but their children were legally disinherited and the relationship ultimately ruined the family politically.
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Did he end up going blind? Did she die of depression?
Though as a Zoroastrian Shah I did have my male character marry is mother.
He had 15 children with her by the end.
As you say children are bastards on eyes on church and bastards eyes on folk, but you still can marry and folk, cchurch and vassals can hate you for it and try to kill you for every day and thats your punishment for not following a law, But there is never unseen divine force who can stop you.
Player free will, and ai low rationality or honor would be trigger it + good releations between siblings.
In game of throne mod there is valyria religion where you can marry with siblings. But there is modifer abomination of incest what reduces opinion and child of abomination what also reduces opinion, In ck2 it should be similar opinion penalty like knows adulter but harser opinion penalty.
If i make mod about fornication it not prevent peoples from fonicating but just reduces change people dont do it becouse they are afraid of punishment.
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That's just 3 in the line leading to Charles II. There were other instances that weren't among his direct ancestors.
I don't think it should be allowed, although I found it infinitely hilarious when the Lover flag could overwrite the close-relative flag for marriage prospects. Made me sad when that loophole got closed. I always wanted to play an online game as Hapsburgs and someone else, and just repeatedly trade our sisters to one another in marriage through generations until the resulting rulers looked like something out of the Crawling Chaos. And I'm almost certain I still can do that.
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