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Frezzin

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I've found that if the liege you're trying to work with isn't cooperating, a ninja or two does wonders. His son or heir might be more willing to plot with you.
 

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I've found that if the liege you're trying to work with isn't cooperating, a ninja or two does wonders. His son or heir might be more willing to plot with you.

It's funny that you mention that, I was just getting ready to try that tactic out in my game, but I ended up getting enough plotters before my Master of the Guard hired a Ninja Clan.