If I decleare war on one nation and another nation joins in against me, am I fighting a defensive war or an offensive war against the 3rd nation?
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Well, technically, during the Great War, the Germans were only honouring their alliance to Austria-Hungary. The latter was in fact the aggressor, but throughout the war the allies always viewed the former as being so.
So, presuming you know who is in your enemy's alliance when you declare war on them, you are fighting an offensive war. Say you're France, and fighting an offensive war against the Habsburgs in Germany and the Netherlands, and then all of a sudden Spain joins the Austrian alliance and attacks you to the south, you could perhaps declare that a purely defensive war (at least, to begin with) as you never intended to fight the Spanish.
So, presuming you know who is in your enemy's alliance when you declare war on them, you are fighting an offensive war. Say you're France, and fighting an offensive war against the Habsburgs in Germany and the Netherlands, and then all of a sudden Spain joins the Austrian alliance and attacks you to the south, you could perhaps declare that a purely defensive war (at least, to begin with) as you never intended to fight the Spanish.
Everyone one the side of dowed is figthing defensive war and everyone on the side of the dower is figthing offensive war.
Be aware that if you are on the defensive side and sign an independent peace treaty with the original country that DoW'ed you, automatically you become the aggressor for all the rest. Leave the peace treaty with the original aggressor for last.
Does this make you the defender if you make sep peace with the one you dowed in the first place?
So if I want some of france lands cheaply, and its in alliance with england, I then dow England, France joins in and then i make a seperate peace with England, does this mean im fighting a defensive war against France?
You can always check the game log/scroll (book thingy - sorry dont have game installed now and dont remember proper name 
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Look on the page "Current Wars" it says stuff like...
England at war with France, Spain and Austria.
Mameluks at war with the Timurid Empire and Iraq
.....the nations on the left (or at the beginning of each sentence) are the nations on the offensive, and the other nations are on the defensive (such as France, Spain and Austria, for example)
)Look on the page "Current Wars" it says stuff like...
England at war with France, Spain and Austria.
Mameluks at war with the Timurid Empire and Iraq
.....the nations on the left (or at the beginning of each sentence) are the nations on the offensive, and the other nations are on the defensive (such as France, Spain and Austria, for example)
Nope. When a peace is reached but some of the war participants continue the war, a new war entry is created in the game if necessary. The country that signing the peace remains at war becomes the first in the new entry and therefore becomes the aggressor.Bodvar Jarl said:
For example, from a save-game entry:
Code:
war = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 4614117 }
date = { year = 1582 month = june day = 20 }
enddate = { year = 1582 month = july day = 6 }
defenderscore = {
FRA = { }
HEL = { }
VEN = { }
SAV = { }
}
attackerscore = { SCO = { } FPR = { FRA = 1 } MST = { } }
attackers = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 4614115 }
type = war
startdate = { year = 1582 month = june day = 20 }
expirydate = { year = 0 month = january day = 0 }
participant = { SCO FPR MST }
}
defenders = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 4614116 }
type = war
startdate = { year = 1582 month = june day = 20 }
expirydate = { year = 0 month = january day = 0 }
participant = { FRA HEL VEN SAV }
}
}1. Non leaders from both sides reach a peace between them. In doing so they abandon their war alliance and become respective leaders of the new war entries created against the remaining members at war. Members of the FRA alliance remain defenders against the remaining SCO alliance members, while members of the SCO alliance remain aggressors.
2. SCO reaches an independent agreement with FRA. SCO is the agressor in the new entry created against the remaining members of the FRA alliance, but FRA is also the aggressor in the new entry created against the remaining members of the SCO alliance.
3. SCO reaches an independent agreement with a member of the FRA alliance. A new entry is created where that member becomes the aggressor against the remaining members of the SCO alliance.
4. FRA reaches an independent agreement with a member of the SCO alliance. A new entry is created where that member is the aggressor against the remaining members of the FRA alliance.
So, whenever an independent peace is reached, the signataries become the aggressors in the new entry. The follow-up is that if we are the leaders of the defender alliance, we should sign the peace with the leader of the attacker alliance last, making her allies abandon the war first, all of them as attackers, to prevent them from becoming defenders.
I hope it is clear.
So if we pretend 4 people are in a MP game, im England my ally is France and then there is Poland allied with Lithuania, France decleared war on Poland which makes me an aggressor, then France makes a independent peace with Poland, would that make me a defensive war against poland and lithuania?
The rules of war leader are different for humans in MP, as the alliance leader does not become the war leader by default. I do not play MP, so I am not sure of the answer to your question.NitrateCupcake said:
In my opinion the war entry would go from:
Code:
war = {
id = { type = 4712 id = xxx }
attackers = {
participant = { FRA ENG }
}
defenders = {
participant = { POL LITH }
}
}
Code:
war = {
id = { type = 4712 id = xxx }
attackers = {
participant = { ENG }
}
defenders = {
participant = { POL LITH }
}
}If the peace is made independently by both FRA and POL, then a new entry (yyy) has to be created:
Code:
war = {
id = { type = 4712 id = xxx }
attackers = {
participant = { FRA }
}
defenders = {
participant = { LITH }
}
}
Code:
war = {
id = { type = 4712 id = yyy }
attackers = {
participant = { POL LITH }
}
defenders = {
participant = { ENG }
}
}In MP the badboy given for gains in human/human wars is nerfed, so it doesn't matter that much.
Well it doesnt need to be against humans, if im just allied to a friend he can dow the country i want cheap land from, drag me into it, then make independent peace with it and i can take alot of provinces from it in defensive war.