Without guarantees of France and UK. (Example, any war of Balkan nation with another Balkan nation)
In NSB, what is the best approach to justify (as a minor) a war or two prior to 1939 against other minors ?
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Well, there is that funny thing of starting two justifications, finishing the first war before the second starts and having WT rise so much target no. 2 gets guaranteed...
In that case, there is the trick of starting one justification, starting a second, cancelling the first and then restarting the first so you get two war goals simultaneously.
But this of course requires you to be strong enough to fight two of your neighbours and did specifiy "as a minor". Hmm, in some cases, you can partially defeat target no. 1 before the other wargoal atrofies, then leave it 75% occupied while covering the border to no. 2 with infantry, and then start war no. 2.
In that case, there is the trick of starting one justification, starting a second, cancelling the first and then restarting the first so you get two war goals simultaneously.
But this of course requires you to be strong enough to fight two of your neighbours and did specifiy "as a minor". Hmm, in some cases, you can partially defeat target no. 1 before the other wargoal atrofies, then leave it 75% occupied while covering the border to no. 2 with infantry, and then start war no. 2.
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But is there hard ''rules'' or this somewhat random ?
(In my latest attempt, as Communist Yugoslavia, guarantees were issued immediately even at very low WT-maybe because I was in faction ? )
(In my latest attempt, as Communist Yugoslavia, guarantees were issued immediately even at very low WT-maybe because I was in faction ? )
Well, first there is the distinction between scripts (national foci, events and decisions) and the regular game.
In the regular game, guarantees cannot be issued until 25% WT. Iirc, the allies guarantee any democratic or non-aligned country that is being threatened by a fascist or communist country.
But if it is something scripted ... then there is no limit to who can do what or when.
In the regular game, guarantees cannot be issued until 25% WT. Iirc, the allies guarantee any democratic or non-aligned country that is being threatened by a fascist or communist country.
But if it is something scripted ... then there is no limit to who can do what or when.
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There is also the rule that even if World Tension spikes over 25%, the nation you are targeting usually won't get guarantees unless your nation caused more than 10% of that World Tension. So the Ottoman Turks can usually get away with a mid-1939 war (or two) even with high WT, since they weren't responsible for much of it.
Unfortunately, this 10% grace rule also applies to your fellow faction members. So, joining the Axis after Fate of Czechoslovakia means you will likely be unable to justify on anyone without them being guaranteed.
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Okay, so a good approach would be to not join a faction and try to DOW before say mid 1937 ?
Yes, assuming the nation you are targeting doesn't already have a guarantee.
If you can keep your contribution to World Tension below 10%, you can also get away with two justifications at the same time. Pick 3 states for the first justification, then a single state for the 2nd justification. That will allow them to finish within 40-50 days of each other. Since your contribution to world tension won't spike again until you declare war, wait until you have two war goals available, then declare war on both nations at the same exact moment. Once you win those wars, you should be able to annex both targets without having to fight any majors.
Of course, this is very generic advice. If you have more information about which nation you're playing, and who your targets are, more specific feedback can be given.
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Few more advices from me:
1. If You play with nation with dedicated focus tree, You can avoid generated to mutch world tension by declaring war after You future enemy become Your core states It works nicely with Balkan States. I don't remember an exact numbers, but I have noticed, that for example, when I play Latvia:
- if I declare wars and annex other Baltic States before I have made it cores by focus - I generated at least 10% WT;
- if I declare wars and annex other Baltic States AFTER I have made it cores by focus - I generared something like 1-2%.
It means, You can justify another war goals even world tension is higher then 25%.
2. You can justify war goals against Nationalist Spain (and if have some possibilities - send some lend - lease to their enemies). Countries in wars cannot get any guarantees. Spain just after SCW is encridible weak (they lost most of the army), has a little navy, so You can puppet it and annex for ships, and La Coruna is one of my favourite place for naval invasion on UK. It can be done by Portugal, Netherlands, Marocco in way to Al-Andalus, probably (but I have not checked this) by Belgium or Ireland.
3. Even if WT is higher then 25% and You generated more then 10%, You can simply justify war goals on puppet and declare war on his master. This is a fine way to stole Dutch East Indies manpower, if You for example (once again) play as Baltic States, which a really good industry, but low manpower. Dutch East Indies maybe get guarantees, but it doesn't matter, You can declare war on Netherlands
1. If You play with nation with dedicated focus tree, You can avoid generated to mutch world tension by declaring war after You future enemy become Your core states
It works nicely with Balkan States. I don't remember an exact numbers, but I have noticed, that for example, when I play Latvia:- if I declare wars and annex other Baltic States before I have made it cores by focus - I generated at least 10% WT;
- if I declare wars and annex other Baltic States AFTER I have made it cores by focus - I generared something like 1-2%.
It means, You can justify another war goals even world tension is higher then 25%.
2. You can justify war goals against Nationalist Spain (and if have some possibilities - send some lend - lease to their enemies). Countries in wars cannot get any guarantees. Spain just after SCW is encridible weak (they lost most of the army), has a little navy, so You can puppet it and annex for ships, and La Coruna is one of my favourite place for naval invasion on UK. It can be done by Portugal, Netherlands, Marocco in way to Al-Andalus, probably (but I have not checked this) by Belgium or Ireland.
3. Even if WT is higher then 25% and You generated more then 10%, You can simply justify war goals on puppet and declare war on his master. This is a fine way to stole Dutch East Indies manpower, if You for example (once again) play as Baltic States, which a really good industry, but low manpower. Dutch East Indies maybe get guarantees, but it doesn't matter, You can declare war on Netherlands
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Bulgaria shouldn't be hard, assuming you attack them before World Tension gets too high, or they join the Axis.
Romania is tougher, since they start the game guaranteed by France, and won't lose that guarantee until they join the Axis.
To take over Romania, I recommend you use the Pan-Balkan Initiative focus and decisions that let you install Communist governments in your neighbors. However, you won't be doing this to invite them into a faction, like the focus tree suggests. Instead, you will turn Romania communist so they lose their previous guarantees, then you can justify a war goal against them, then attack and annex, without outside interference.
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Does Yugoslavia lose its French guarantee when they turn communist?
If not, that guarantee balances the one to Romania and France will remain neutral. Similar to the way American minors can wage war on each other early and USA stays out of it.
If not, that guarantee balances the one to Romania and France will remain neutral. Similar to the way American minors can wage war on each other early and USA stays out of it.
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Not sure if it's related to switching government types or France's "Buy Time" historical focus.
But either way, Yugoslavia usually loses the French guarantee fairly early in the game, while Romania typically keeps the French guarantee in place until Romania joins the Axis in 1940-1941.
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Guarantees for Yugoslavia depends on some shenanigans and if Yugoslavia is leading by player or not. Me and some Youtubers (I think I saw it on FBG and Bittersteel videos) have noticed these behaviour:
1. On historical focuses on France always rejects her guarantees after "Buy the time", as @eastcoastceojam said - I never remember, when exactly, but I think this is first half of 1937.
2. But if Yugoslavia is leading by player, AI France gets guarantees back plus You should get guarantees from UK. That means:
- You can go communist;
- conquer for example Bulgaria and Greece;
- when world tension is higher then 25%, UK and France should get guarantees for You and don't reject it again, so You can justify another war goals - for example for Hungary and Romania, even if most of this world tension was generated by You
This was my favourite strategy for "Hugeoslavia achievement"
3. If Yugoslavia is leading by AI, it is little more complicated:
- if Yugoslavia have some guarantees (for example from Czechoslovakia and Romania), british and french AI do not get another guarantees very likely. I explain it for myself, that the AI thinks, that Yugoslavia is protect enough.
- supposedly there is some connection between - if Spain becomes fascist or not. I don't remember, how does it work and I don't understand, why guarantees for Yugoslavia would depend on Spain behaviour, but I heard that once.
Of course, this is happen, if Yugoslavia goes on "Western focus". "Recognize the Soviet Union" means, that Yugoslavia establish her own faction or joins to Kommintern - in both cases she cannot get any futured guarantees from UK and France.
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