In historical, Italy should only join Axis some time or directly after Vichy is created.

[Von Man Steiner]

At the moment, Italy joins the Axis around late 1938/1939. This causes them to be gone from Africa in days once Germany attacks Poland eliminating that theater for the entirity of WW2. I don't think this would cause Germany problems with defeating France, they do it quite easily at the moment.

I'm sure this can be coded in somehow. At least for historical games.

 

[Natethegreat]

Yup it has been a problem since day one. Italy is horribly represented in game and really needs an overhaul.

 

[Bergermeister]

If you don’t mind a mod Expert AI needs you to break the Low Countries before they’ll join.

 

[kimidf]

If you don’t mind a mod Expert AI needs you to break the Low Countries before they’ll join.

I believe in the total war mod there is also something similar it seems to me that it needs a% surrender from France so that to be able to join something similar it would have to be implemented in the Italian rework that surely touched that particular question

 

[General Von Trapp]

Yep... I am sure this will get sorted in a future release that includes a new national focus tree for Italy.

Will be very nice when it's officially sorted because the Mediterranean campaign can start more realistically.

 

[Paul.Ketcham]

I believe in the total war mod there is also something similar it seems to me that it needs a% surrender from France so that to be able to join something similar it would have to be implemented in the Italian rework that surely touched that particular question

This is how I'd do it, since Italy wasn't really interested in fighting a major war so much as staking claims on France before they collapsed. Waiting until after France has already surrendered defeats the point there. ~50% surrender chance puts it late enough that France has probably already lost.

 

[kimidf]

This is how I'd do it, since Italy wasn't really interested in fighting a major war so much as staking claims on France before they collapsed. Waiting until after France has already surrendered defeats the point there. ~50% surrender chance puts it late enough that France has probably already lost.

not that I was really interested is that it was not in optimal conditions to do it and they held the Duce for a time that if he wanted to declare war until the fall of France seemed imminent then no one could stop himdeclare a few of the war to claim the possessions that Italy deserved from the Allies.

 

[xtfoster]

Depends on what you mean by "join Axis". Historically, Italy joined (technically they helped create) the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis in October of 1936, although this was mostly a symbolic "alliance" at the time. So to was the Anti-Comintern Pact of the following month (which Italy signed in 1937). It didn't become a true Military Alliance until May of 1939 with the "Pact of Steel" and the full Axis in September, 1940 with the Tripartite Pact. However, Italy joined militarily in June 1940 (i.e., before the Tripartite Pact but after the Pact of Steel) when it was apparent that France would fall.

So in game, the most accurate restriction would be that Italy can join the alliance whenever, but can't be called into the war until German troops have crossed the French border, either through the Low Countries (historical), through Switzerland (Operation Tannenbaum), or by breaking the Maginot Line.

As a note, I am pretty sure the game is coded that Germany can't (EDIT: Won't} call Italy before then, but its allies (including Slovakia and Hungary) can, which leads to Italy joining the war early. As a player I never call Italy (if I even bother to ally them) before the fall of France.

 

[Earl Grey Tea]

Yup it has been a problem since day one. Italy is horribly represented in game and really needs an overhaul.

still has the day 1 focus tree with very very minor changes. unfortunately, since a USSR overhaul is most likely to be the next DLC, we might have to wait a bit longer. Unless they're gonna do a MTG and do 2 overhauls + 2 new national focuses. (tbh i'll prefer the mtg style so we actually have a decent italy to play.)

 

[Earl Grey Tea]

Depends on what you mean by "join Axis". Historically, Italy joined (technically they helped create) the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis in October of 1936, although this was mostly a symbolic "alliance" at the time. So to was the Anti-Comintern Pact of the following month (which Italy signed in 1937). It didn't become a true Military Alliance until May of 1939 with the "Pact of Steel" and the full Axis in September, 1940 with the Tripartite Pact. However, Italy joined militarily in June 1940 (i.e., before the Tripartite Pact but after the Pact of Steel) when it was apparent that France would fall.

So in game, the most accurate restriction would be that Italy can join the alliance whenever, but can't be called into the war until German troops have crossed the French border, either through the Low Countries (historical), through Switzerland (Operation Tannenbaum), or by breaking the Maginot Line.

As a note, I am pretty sure the game is coded that Germany can't call Italy before then, but its allies (including Slovakia and Hungary) can, which leads to Italy joining the war early. As a player I never call Italy (if I even bother to ally them) before the fall of France.

this takes me back to before Waking the TIger when Japan would join the Axis and the war in September lol

 

[enigma_]

Yup it has been a problem since day one. Italy is horribly represented in game and really needs an overhaul.

I totally agree with you!!! Italy is very unbalanced and not well represented in HOI-4

 

[blue_yonder]

This is fine, so long as it takes edge cases into account. For instance I set my game to historical to avoid wild absurdities, but then deviate by forming the little entente. If Italy were to wait and see which way the wind blows before deciding what to do (which is the correct historical thematic regardless of actual dates and events) then it would be a cakewalk and I'd have no game.