so mr panda do u say ok to a public nap here on tread for 40 years or u r against long peace?Captain Panda said:I think we signed a NAP there Elio, I have at least considered it to be so
do u accept a 40 years Spain-Porto-France NAP or not?
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do u accept a 40 years Spain-Porto-France NAP or not?
molian said:
Excuse me, Molian.
I heard sth, but the window didn't opened. I'll control today; anyway put in the thread your ICQ number and I'll call you as soon as possible.
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After a little thought, the Sultan has come to the conclusion that no one was clearly responsible for the failing of his alliance. Unfortunately, his Empire cannot remain neutral in this case.
CP, our alliance was not something you could just forget about. When my AI self Dowed Persia, you could have at least honored the alliance and made wp a little while later. Instead, you dishonored it . This is not enough to kick you from the alliance, though, since I would not really expect you to help in any war so far away and so simple for me to win. What annoys me is that you left my alliance and then joined an alliance with England. Still then, I would have been willing to conclude a NAP with you and retained friendly relations. But where you messed up was when you did not immediately declare your stance to Austria. A simple "Austria, I'm not you friend anymore. I don't like you. Go find some other freinds, loozer " would have been fine, but you didn't. Therefore you were still bound to our pact. When Austria told you that he was planning on attacking England, you didn't have to help him. You could have been neutral. But turning around and fighting with England against him is the same thing as stabbing him in the back.
Thus I must declare that the previous agreement between Austria, the Ottoman Empire and France is null. The Ottoman Empire will from now on be allied to her honorable Austrian allies and any enemy of Austria is an enemy to the Sultan and Pope. I say that the Italian lands I gave to France are now my rightful lands and if France does not agree to give them up to either Austria or me, he will be our Empire's first and most vile enemy. In that case, there will be no non-war related negotiations between my Empire and the French until those lands fall under our alliance's flag. When France fought against her Austrian brother, anything that we owed her was lost. Long live the Vienna-Constantinople axis.
And btw, to anyone who reads this, I'm currently practicing rhetoric, diction and voice. Von says I'm pretty good, but could some of you give your own (semi-professional) opinions? I'd like to see if my readers think I write well before I start writing some college essays and speeches I have to do. Thanks
CP, our alliance was not something you could just forget about. When my AI self Dowed Persia, you could have at least honored the alliance and made wp a little while later. Instead, you dishonored it
. This is not enough to kick you from the alliance, though, since I would not really expect you to help in any war so far away and so simple for me to win. What annoys me is that you left my alliance and then joined an alliance with England. Still then, I would have been willing to conclude a NAP with you and retained friendly relations. But where you messed up was when you did not immediately declare your stance to Austria. A simple "Austria, I'm not you friend anymore. I don't like you. Go find some other freinds, loozer " would have been fine, but you didn't. Therefore you were still bound to our pact. When Austria told you that he was planning on attacking England, you didn't have to help him. You could have been neutral. But turning around and fighting with England against him is the same thing as stabbing him in the back.Thus I must declare that the previous agreement between Austria, the Ottoman Empire and France is null. The Ottoman Empire will from now on be allied to her honorable Austrian allies and any enemy of Austria is an enemy to the Sultan and Pope. I say that the Italian lands I gave to France are now my rightful lands and if France does not agree to give them up to either Austria or me, he will be our Empire's first and most vile enemy. In that case, there will be no non-war related negotiations between my Empire and the French until those lands fall under our alliance's flag. When France fought against her Austrian brother, anything that we owed her was lost. Long live the Vienna-Constantinople axis.
And btw, to anyone who reads this, I'm currently practicing rhetoric, diction and voice. Von says I'm pretty good, but could some of you give your own (semi-professional) opinions? I'd like to see if my readers think I write well before I start writing some college essays and speeches I have to do. Thanks
Druglord said:And btw, to anyone who reads this, I'm currently practicing rhetoric, diction and voice. Von says I'm pretty good, but could some of you give your own (semi-professional) opinions? I'd like to see if my readers think I write well before I start writing some college essays and speeches I have to do. Thanks
Well Druglord, you do talk and write very well, though if I were you I'd just add more addjectives to describe what you are talking about. Instead of France, say Filthy France
and so on. To side your point add adjectives to describe in a more powerful manner what you mean. 
I told Austria to not tell me of plans against England, repeatedly even.
So the Italian lands are now considered yours?
I guess the 1000s of ducats I gave you to repay your loans are considered mine then?
I already told you in the PM that I have no problem in preserving the French-Ottoman relations they way they were.
But if you absolutely want to take a hostile attitude against France then that is your choice. I have no quarrel with the Ottomans unless you make me have one.
The alliance we had lasted for 40+ years, that´s a pretty long time gamewise and it was time to move on and do something new. I am just trying to balance the game a bit because the way it is now it is hardly balanced, no matter what Alfonso says
So the Italian lands are now considered yours?
I guess the 1000s of ducats I gave you to repay your loans are considered mine then?
I already told you in the PM that I have no problem in preserving the French-Ottoman relations they way they were.
But if you absolutely want to take a hostile attitude against France then that is your choice. I have no quarrel with the Ottomans unless you make me have one.
The alliance we had lasted for 40+ years, that´s a pretty long time gamewise and it was time to move on and do something new. I am just trying to balance the game a bit because the way it is now it is hardly balanced, no matter what Alfonso says
Druglord said:After a little thought, the Sultan has come to the conclusion that no one was clearly responsible for the failing of his alliance. Unfortunately, his Empire cannot remain neutral in this case.
CP, our alliance was not something you could just forget about. When my AI self Dowed Persia, you could have at least honored the alliance and made wp a little while later. Instead, you dishonored it
Thus I must declare that the previous agreement between Austria, the Ottoman Empire and France is null. The Ottoman Empire will from now on be allied to her honorable Austrian allies and any enemy of Austria is an enemy to the Sultan and Pope. I say that the Italian lands I gave to France are now my rightful lands and if France does not agree to give them up to either Austria or me, he will be our Empire's first and most vile enemy. In that case, there will be no non-war related negotiations between my Empire and the French until those lands fall under our alliance's flag. When France fought against her Austrian brother, anything that we owed her was lost. Long live the Vienna-Constantinople axis.
And btw, to anyone who reads this, I'm currently practicing rhetoric, diction and voice. Von says I'm pretty good, but could some of you give your own (semi-professional) opinions? I'd like to see if my readers think I write well before I start writing some college essays and speeches I have to do. Thanks
The axis of evil is complete. These badboys are a threat to the stability of Europe. OE is here openly supporting an Austrian war against another player, to seize foreign culture/religion provinces for no good reason other than pure "Evil" (said in Austin Powers 'Dr. Evil' accent) Megalomania.
Since the OE is not a European power I'm not surprised at his stance, however, everyone else certainly SHOULD be worried. Consider what happens once Austria has all of North America - we have seen he will NEVER stop expanding (until 1819
), so who is next? Portugal in Mexico? Spain in North Africa? The Polish lands recently won by Sweden and Russia? We must stand united or fall like dominoes.Until it is demonstrated that Austria cannot just take what he wants without negotiation from other players, Europe is not safe! I urge all to unite in the event of further wars with Austria! The Anglo-French alliance is the strongest to counter Austrian aggression, but we cannot and will not bear the burden alone.
I urge all leaders to make their feelings plain before the start of the next session.
P.S. Druglord, you accuse France of backstabbing? He formed a new alliance with England, and Austria then declared war on that alliance. Hardly backstabbing, methinks. Just further evidence of the Austrian aggression that has so far gone unchecked in this game. If you join any war against the France/England/Holland alliance to support such aggression you will pay a high price. But that's entirely up to you!
P.P.S you write fine, but imo your piece failed to tackle or justify the underlying cause of the problems you were reacting to - namely Austrian uber-aggression. Perhaps in this case you have been misled in your reading of the situation. This tends to be what happens when you rely on getting all your information from one source, whilst failing to even respond to icq messages from other potential sources ....
This is starting to look like Napoleonics I think the next session will be a very fun one.
I think the next session will be a very fun one.
Captain Panda said:This is starting to look like Napoleonics
The whole problem can be avoided if Austria simply agrees to hand back the 5 colonies he seized. They are anglosaxon and protestant and one of them is revolting already, he can't support an overseas empire with no fleet.
However, he has not responded to my several attempts to negotiate with him. I don't consider this polite, let alone friendly.
I call once again on Austria to come to the negotiating table, to justify his actions in North America and outline what he considers to be his sphere of influence for all to see, in the interests of future peace.
I´d love to hear what he considers to be Austrias sphere of influence Considering he´s claiming North America to be part of it
Considering he´s claiming North America to be part of it
Portugals r not enemy of the austrian goverment. Portugalsr also not enemy of the English goverment. We r a bit afraid of an upcomming OE invasion against our allies Spain in africa, but as i sad before what is happening in nourth america between Eng and AU is just thier business, only they can solve it. They solve it by war or peace thats not my business.
Im worried about Captain Panda and his actions, just like OE. Its clear now he dont want to sign NAP and he want to betray dow me too, just like AU before. I cant trust him. Without the NAP i cant. Really sorry England im not your enemy and u do what ever u want in Nourth America but France agression must be stopped now, before it turn against the Portugals. If u want Shaldon we can sign a NAP to avoid stupid wars between us because of the agressor France. Portugals dont want to fight against the english and dont want to side with any powers, we just like u (with AU in nourth america) have our own problems with France.
And one more important think: Portugals r full defensive and wont support any agression against france and against England. But if france attack again like before we must act.
Im worried about Captain Panda and his actions, just like OE. Its clear now he dont want to sign NAP and he want to betray dow me too, just like AU before. I cant trust him. Without the NAP i cant. Really sorry England im not your enemy and u do what ever u want in Nourth America but France agression must be stopped now, before it turn against the Portugals. If u want Shaldon we can sign a NAP to avoid stupid wars between us because of the agressor France. Portugals dont want to fight against the english and dont want to side with any powers, we just like u (with AU in nourth america) have our own problems with France.
And one more important think: Portugals r full defensive and wont support any agression against france and against England. But if france attack again like before we must act.
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Give it up soon? I have´nt threatened nor done anything threatening towards Portugal? Are you going to give up your fearmongering soon?
I have bigger fish to fry than you.
I have´nt threatened nor done anything threatening towards Portugal? Are you going to give up your fearmongering soon?I have bigger fish to fry than you.
I find right Shaldon's words.
But my friend has to say when He speaks as King of England or as the GM.
It's GM's duty to balance more this game and say a word about the MAs.
Maybe it's too late now, anyway the GM can put a limit sometimes and Von D. was wrong about his expansion in NA vs ENG after GM's words (but I know Von D. after many sessions ...).
But my friend has to say when He speaks as King of England or as the GM.
It's GM's duty to balance more this game and say a word about the MAs.
Maybe it's too late now, anyway the GM can put a limit sometimes and Von D. was wrong about his expansion in NA vs ENG after GM's words (but I know Von D. after many sessions ...).
What? First ellio you know nothing of me. You never spoke with me, and you never saw how I play as any other power than Austria or denmark (for like 1 season?) Are you suggesting that the Gm will abuse his power to limit another power's expanstion that grew perheps stronger than useual only because of claver playing? If that is what you are suggesting I really don't know if there is any room for a person lik eyou in a real Euii game
shaldon said:
Shaldon, You did not try to negotiate with Austria at any point. You forget that Ottoman Empire France and Austria have got a military non gression pact, as well as a right of pessage. Austria does not want to hold angalsxon provinces, though you forget that the hostility began long before this season. It started a few seasons ago with England declaring war on the Austrian lands up north. Victory was swift for Austria, though England warned austria that another war will be coming, no matter what we do. Austria just hit before you were able to defend yourself. Austria might be willing to cooperate in a peace treaty, though England must promise to the world itself not to colonize any of the lands now secured by austria. If agreed England will be given back her provinces, any failure to accept that will lead to another war. But this time with the fair help of a very powerful Portugal and oe on the Austrian side. Be very aware england....
von Diplomacy said:
I think we can deal then and avoid (real) war.
Incidentally, I sent you icq and also stated on this forum I wanted to negotiate, so don't say I didn't!
Here is what I propose:
Immediately at start of the next session, Austria DoWs England (you have a CB at the moment, and so neither of us lose stability) OR Austria sends England an insult to give me a CB, and I declare war to save Austria BB.
Neither Austria nor England invites any allies to this war, making it strictly colonial in nature.
England retakes the five anglo colonies (including one currently rebelling), and territories in Lousiana where trading posts were burnt and recolonised by Austria (can't remember how many, 1 or 2 I think).
Austria accepts peace for these territories - war over within 6 months.
Both parties agree to retain no more than 30k troops in North America at any one time except when agreed otherwise (e.g. outside threat). This number can be increased each session by mutual agreement as times move on.
Both parties agree to allow free colonisation of remaining American territories by anybody (Austria, England, Holland, Spain or anybody else), without complaint, on a first-come first served basis. If Austria wants any particular territory she should say so now, with reason why.
I await the Austrian response.
yes Von D things was like that in america. england knows, u know and me too. u tried to blocade england out from NA in a very clever way i saw that befor and wrote it on the tread.... it was very lol when u offered him the nourth indiands like a gife after u took everything else. lol
its naturally after england realize what happened he wanted war and started the firts war.
however i an neutral with england as i sad. just pls acvcept england that france is my enemy as i accept that u do what u want in NA.
its naturally after england realize what happened he wanted war and started the firts war.
however i an neutral with england as i sad. just pls acvcept england that france is my enemy as i accept that u do what u want in NA.
Ohh so Portugal has gone with the Austrians I thought they would be "very neutral to everyone"
Shaping up to be very interesting.
I thought they would be "very neutral to everyone" Shaping up to be very interesting.
no we dont. we arent in any kind of alliance. we r neutral but enemy of france after u didnt want to grant peace with us by 40 years NAP.Captain Panda said:Ohh so Portugal has gone with the Austrians
Shaping up to be very interesting.