In defense of "Conclave"

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

So, I am playing a campaign as William the Conqueror, Dec 1066 start, with HIP.

As usual, fairly powerful vassals, causing trouble and voting against me on several important matters.

I decide, given the lack of any good CB and wars, to try and get Cumbria from Scotland, for the Duke of Northumberland. While I am fighting a hard war in the Scotland, the bastard Duke of Mercia, Edwin, not only attacks my vassal for his de jure claim, but also votes against everything that I wish, even though I granted the bastard control of Worchester, on the first day.

After I won the war against Scotland (killing their King in personal combat btw, nice touch), Morcar asks me to grant control of Cumbria and his count to him... at the same moment, I sense fantastic opportunity, I grant him Cumberland, transferring vassalage to Duke Morcar of Northumbria... after which I ask for a favor.

See, the thing is, I had an option to imprison Edwin of Mercia, because he was slandering me, and laughed to my face when I asked him to stay out of fractions. At first I could not imprison him, at least not with the approval of the council, which would give me tyranny. But Morcar's move for Cumberland, granted me a favor, which I used and forced him to vote for the imprisonment of his own viscous little brother, which I tried to befriend and keep satisfied in the first place...

So, Conclave / free patches that came with it, might have some rough edges, but it offers some great moments in game...

And yes, council votes annoy me so much, because they almost never vote for the same thing, but that's part of the fun I think.

 

[Morrowind3]

I really like the council stuff, and it's not too hard to keep them on your side. Only issue is that Favours seem worthless but I belief that's more an issue on my side, since they came in handy for you. I just don't know what to do with them, haha.

 

[Tarroque]

I really like the council stuff, and it's not too hard to keep them on your side. Only issue is that Favours seem worthless but I belief that's more an issue on my side, since they came in handy for you. I just don't know what to do with them, haha.

You have to call in favours during council votes via the diplomacy menu, if you want to use them that is.

 

[Patroclusmega]

Conclave is a great expansion, but I think that favour should be harder to get and receive.

 

[yezhanquan]

"with HIP."

Mods like HIP and CK2+ almost always refine mechanics from their vanilla versions.

 

[Knotz]

It was pretty fun, watching as my council positions in my Persian playthrough went from meritocratic keystones of the empire to glorified pacifiers for powerful, crotchety vassals. The only thing I'd change with Conclave is add more ways to gain favors and more ways to use them.

 

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

The only thing I'd change with Conclave is add more ways to gain favors and more ways to use them.

Agreed.

 

[LeSingeAffame]

I really like the council stuff, and it's not too hard to keep them on your side. Only issue is that Favours seem worthless but I belief that's more an issue on my side, since they came in handy for you. I just don't know what to do with them, haha.

Favours are really useful if you want to pass a law that your council does not want you to (e.g when you want to reduce the council power)

 

[DarthDanMan]

I think Conclave, and the accompanying patch, made the game considerably harder which is nice for vetern players.

 

[Patroclusmega]

I think Conclave, and the accompanying patch, made the game considerably harder which is nice for vetern players.

Well, I heard that is easier to play religious minorities because now the liege need legalism to unlock the law to revoke religious title so you should have enough time to get big enough.

 

[shiro the bushi]

Well, I heard that is easier to play religious minorities because now the liege need legalism to unlock the law to revoke religious title so you should have enough time to get big enough.

yup, so playing zoros or zunis and doing the tale out the abbas from inside strategy is a lot easier,