In case anyone needs a cheap, quick, easy and also very gamey way to get rid of stressed/depressed

[Karlington]

Mutilated prisoners become your foes, so you can still duel them (but I'm not sure if that "stress relief" event works on foes).

Mutilation does not make you foes, strangely enough. The "foe" status is only caused by opinion modifiers that are marked as crimes. This is not to be confused with imprisonment reasons.

(The game files mark them "crime = yes" and "prison_reason = yes" respectively.)

There aren't that many crime/foe opinions, and most are not easy to produce at will. The most easily reproduced one is probably attempted murder - you can get that one by planning a murder plot and having someone blab. This will make you a foe of the target, and possibly of their spouse, siblings, children, and parents. So plan a murder plot and invite only drunkards.

Another one is to divorce a woman, which makes you a foe of her and her relatives.

If anyone wants to see them all, they can go to the file common\opinion_modifiers\00_opinion_modifiers.txt and search the file for all instances of "crime"

PS. I am aware how weird it is that having someone cut off your arm, leg, or even carve off your entire face does not make you foes and give cause for a duel, but divorcing your sister does. I didn't come up with this stuff.

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

Mutilated prisoners become your foes, so you can still duel them (but I'm not sure if that "stress relief" event works on foes).

not, just rivals

Mutilation does not make you foes, strangely enough. The "foe" status is only caused by opinion modifiers that are marked as crimes. This is not to be confused with imprisonment reasons.

(The game files mark them "crime = yes" and "prison_reason = yes" respectively.)

There aren't that many crime/foe opinions, and most are not easy to produce at will. The most easily reproduced one is probably attempted murder - you can get that one by planning a murder plot and having someone blab. This will make you a foe of the target, and possibly of their spouse, siblings, children, and parents. So plan a murder plot and invite only drunkards.

Another one is to divorce a woman, which makes you a foe of her and her relatives.

If anyone wants to see them all, they can go to the file common\opinion_modifiers\00_opinion_modifiers.txt and search the file for all instances of "crime"

PS. I am aware how weird it is that having someone cut off your arm, leg, or even carve off your entire face does not make you foes and give cause for a duel, but divorcing your sister does. I didn't come up with this stuff.

seducing your daughter screwing over your NAPs and your dynasty, probably getting her killed for being unfaithful doesn't either...

 

[Karlington]

In order to settle the discussion about the best way to get rivals I thought I'd provide a screenshot of the rivals I have on one character:

Now as you can see I am a Ravager, not a Sea King, so I've looted somewhere between 50-99 holdings. I've gotten a bit more prisoners than you normally do because I am a Warrior Lodge member and I have a reaver bloodline.

(Reaver bloodlines present themselves in-game as just giving an increased artifact looting chance, which they do, and yet they also increase the chance of taking prisoners after a successful siege.)

I have a total of 49 rivals there if I counted them correctly. However, even without the benefit of warrior lodge membership and a reaver bloodline, you should easily be able to get a dozen or two rivals from captive prisoners - more than enough to keep a person busy all the way to the duellist bloodline as you can rotate them - seriously injured and wounded opponents will usually heal back to full health so you can duel them again without honor penalties.

And needless to say, for the purpose of knocking one off every 10 years, this should see anything but an immortal character through their entire lifetime.

(Note that probably at least a dozen or two have died as well - a few killed by me in duels, others dying from their wounds, other dying from the standard CK2 stuff like age, illness, etc. I know quite a fair amount died of diseases since even going into seclusion will not help prisoners - they are wide open and unprotected when the province gets infected.)

PS. Out of all my rivals, I have gotten exactly one by antagonizing. I'm not sure if he is dead or not because there are too many rivals to tell apart by now.

 

[Kurblius]

In order to settle the discussion about the best way to get rivals I thought I'd provide a screenshot of the rivals I have on one character:

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Now as you can see I am a Ravager, not a Sea King, so I've looted somewhere between 50-99 holdings. I've gotten a bit more prisoners than you normally do because I am a Warrior Lodge member and I have a reaver bloodline.

(Reaver bloodlines present themselves in-game as just giving an increased artifact looting chance, which they do, and yet they also increase the chance of taking prisoners after a successful siege.)

I have a total of 49 rivals there if I counted them correctly. However, even without the benefit of warrior lodge membership and a reaver bloodline, you should easily be able to get a dozen or two rivals from captive prisoners - more than enough to keep a person busy all the way to the duellist bloodline as you can rotate them - seriously injured and wounded opponents will usually heal back to full health so you can duel them again without honor penalties.

And needless to say, for the purpose of knocking one off every 10 years, this should see anything but an immortal character through their entire lifetime.

(Note that probably at least a dozen or two have died as well - a few killed by me in duels, others dying from their wounds, other dying from the standard CK2 stuff like age, illness, etc. I know quite a fair amount died of diseases since even going into seclusion will not help prisoners - they are wide open and unprotected when the province gets infected.)

PS. Out of all my rivals, I have gotten exactly one by antagonizing. I'm not sure if he is dead or not because there are too many rivals to tell apart by now.

Sorry - can you explain how one get rivals from captive prisoners? Are you getting them from taking women as concubines?

 

[Karlington]

Sorry - can you explain how one get rivals from captive prisoners? Are you getting them from taking women as concubines?

Sure. It's from their adolescent development. You have to have someone taken prisoner before they hit adolescence (age 12), and they have to be put into house arrest (dungeon cell or oubliette won't work).

When they hit adolescence/age 12 the game checks if their educator (and you are always the default educator for children in your prison, even if you have a court tutor assigned ) has at least two attributes at 12 or higher. It can be any two attributes, doesn't matter which ones. It then fires a delayed event which will appear a couple of years later where you are given different child development options.

If the child doesn't have Ambitious (and most children won't, especially ones raised imprisoned) one of the options is to make the child Ambitious at the cost of making it your rival.

That option is the way I did it.

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

Sorry - can you explain how one get rivals from captive prisoners? Are you getting them from taking women as concubines?

This as well, for spouse snatcher.

However I don't get why anyone would need that many rivals and as I said earlier, having a rival locked up in your prison to slip you finger when needed is a way safer way than duelling them

 

[Kurblius]

This as well, for spouse snatcher.

However I don't get why anyone would need that many rivals and as I said earlier, having a rival locked up in your prison to slip you finger when needed is a way safer way than duelling them

I'm aiming for the duelist bloodline which I can never get because I don't have enough duel kills :/

Edit: Just tested it out. It seems to me I can't duel every person who's spouse I snatch. Not sure what are the conditions. Or is it just a chance to become rivals/foes if you snatch their spouse?

 

[Urzhail64]

CK2: The game where cruelty is fun.

 

[Kurblius]

Damn it. I just tried getting rivals from stealing their spouse but did I mention I'm female? I have Equality doctrine so I can take male consorts. But turns out dueling women gives me a horrendous 10 year modifier of -20 temple and -10 vassals called "Uncivilized duel". I don't know if it stacks. If it does than it's unsustainable method of dueling. However my first duel was with a woman who's husband I turned into a consort and I didn't get the modifier. Is that because she was Reformed Germanic (no shieldmaiden trait) and the others were Muslim?

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

Damn it. I just tried getting rivals from stealing their spouse but did I mention I'm female? I have Equality doctrine so I can take male consorts. But turns out dueling women gives me a horrendous 10 year modifier of -20 temple and -10 vassals called "Uncivilized duel". I don't know if it stacks. If it does than it's unsustainable method of dueling. However my first duel was with a woman who's husband I turned into a consort and I didn't get the modifier. Is that because she was Reformed Germanic (no shieldmaiden trait) and the others were Muslim?

funny enough, this one only applies if you duel christians, but not if you duel other pagans

 

[Karlington]

However I don't get why anyone would need that many rivals and as I said earlier, having a rival locked up in your prison to slip you finger when needed is a way safer way than duelling them

Need? This is Crusader Kings. We all do weird stuff sometimes for fun. Considering the amount of people who seem to focus their gaming sessions on doing their own sisters and daughters, I'd say collecting rivals is a pretty benign and harmless activity by comparison.

For the record, it started as a way to get rivals so I could get the duelist bloodline, then I figured "Hey, let's see how far we can go with this!" Turns out, pretty far.

I'm aiming for the duelist bloodline which I can never get because I don't have enough duel kills :/

Edit: Just tested it out. It seems to me I can't duel every person who's spouse I snatch. Not sure what are the conditions. Or is it just a chance to become rivals/foes if you snatch their spouse?

I believe there are conditions to becoming rivals from forced concubinage. I'm not quite sure what they are, though.

funny enough, this one only applies if you duel christians, but not if you duel other pagans

That's another advantage to creating rivalries with captured children. As long as you get them before age 10, you can put their focus on Heritage or Faith to ensure that they become pagans and then the women can be dueled penalty-free as adults.

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

Need? This is Crusader Kings. We all do weird stuff sometimes for fun. Considering the amount of people who seem to focus their gaming sessions on doing their own sisters and daughters, I'd say collecting rivals is a pretty benign and harmless activity by comparison.

For the record, it started as a way to get rivals so I could get the duelist bloodline, then I figured "Hey, let's see how far we can go with this!" Turns out, pretty far.



I believe there are conditions to becoming rivals from forced concubinage. I'm not quite sure what they are, though.



That's another advantage to creating rivalries with captured children. As long as you get them before age 10, you can put their focus on Heritage or Faith to ensure that they become pagans and then the women can be dueled penalty-free as adults.

duellist bloodline is a good reason to have that many rivals