In a Holy War - how do I get Lombardy army to "attach" to mine?

[jpinard]

I'm up Shick Creek right now. I'm in a Holy War with the Ummayad Empire who has 10,000 troops and I only have 5,000. But I see two wonderful stacks in two different places - both owned by Lombardy. I followed the wiki instruction to break off a small group of my own army, I go up to where there's 3,000 Lombard troops, and then go to click "attach". But I can't have Lombard attach to me, only I can only attach to them. And since they've been sitting in one county doing nothing for 6 months I don't think it's going to help? Am I doing something wrong, or is the wiki outdated? Lombard troops are in blue and we do have an alliance and are together in this Holy War along with 8 other smaller rulers.

Also, why can't I find any "Holy Orders" troops? That entire tab is blank. Thanks!

 

[Rags17]

Holy Orders only appear once Crusades are unlocked I think, which is after 900 AD unless certain other events have happened sooner.

Not sure why the Lombards are being so stupid.

 

[Dahoota]

Is Lombardy in another war(s)? Usually they just come over and fight unless and link up unless they are distracted by a second war particularly if that second war is a defensive one.

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

AI stacks sometimes get stuck if there is a peasant/religious revolt somewhere in the realm where they don't have easy access. If you go ahead and destroy it for them they should get active again.

 

[jpinard]

There's a lot of wars going on at the same time. It's like anarchy. Since Conclave, that's all that seems to happen to Christian rulers in Europe is war almost all the time. I don't know why the Muslim countries don't seem to fall apart.

 

[Xinkc]

Holy Orders only appear once Crusades are unlocked I think, which is after 900 AD unless certain other events have happened sooner.

Not sure why the Lombards are being so stupid.

Crusades should only be unlocking after 900 CE and don't happen sooner than the late 11th century unless non-Chrisitians are successful like Umayyads taking Aquitaine. Holy Orders tend to form shortly after early Crusades are unlocked but a successful Christianity will have them not form until the 11th to 13th centuries depending on the order.

As for the Lombard's being useless, part of the problem is a bug with the AI.

AI stacks sometimes get stuck if there is a peasant/religious revolt somewhere in the realm where they don't have easy access. If you go ahead and destroy it for them they should get active again.

I've had AI not move around, go on nonsensical paths (for example, Lombardy walking to its holdings in Tripoli, not picking up troops, getting insane attrition, then marching back), and not helping in holy wars due to bugs with the AI. Unfortunately, restarting the game does not fix this. The Holy war being the only one the AI is in doesn't fix it (I once had an allied France March troops from Flanders in an arc to Bavaria despite not having any direct relation with Bavaria). The one good thing is that QA has acknowledged the big report for this.

 

[StarSword]

There's a lot of wars going on at the same time. It's like anarchy. Since Conclave, that's all that seems to happen to Christian rulers in Europe is war almost all the time. I don't know why the Muslim countries don't seem to fall apart.

Oh, I've seen more than a few Muslim civil wars, but they seem to be brief and victorious just because the Greater Islamic Empire is so huge to begin with. E.g. the Umayyads in my game solidly control all of Hispania and are the only ones equaling Byzantium for troops: any revolts that blow up get squashed with 24k doomstacks. I might just have to turn Sunset Invasion on to boot them out.

Meanwhile the Catholics in France and Germany keep fighting over chunks of the Karlings' leftovers 200 years on, and everyone Catholic is under constant threat from Germanic hosts and prepared invasions that seem to be perfectly happy to ignore the Umayyads.

 

[jpinard]

Oh, I've seen more than a few Muslim civil wars, but they seem to be brief and victorious just because the Greater Islamic Empire is so huge to begin with. E.g. the Umayyads in my game solidly control all of Hispania and are the only ones equaling Byzantium for troops: any revolts that blow up get squashed with 24k doomstacks. I might just have to turn Sunset Invasion on to boot them out.

Meanwhile the Catholics in France and Germany keep fighting over chunks of the Karlings' leftovers 200 years on, and everyone Catholic is under constant threat from Germanic hosts and prepared invasions that seem to be perfectly happy to ignore the Umayyads.

You can turn on sunset invasion after you've started a game and they'll trigger? I'm in the same boat. Check out my not so great situation:

 

[jpinard]

Cause wow do I need some kind of strategy to destabilize Umayyad's. That chunk of France they're in, that's their inevitable advance to Germany. EEK! France keeps getting hammered.

 

[Xinkc]

Basically hold out for the Crusades to trigger in the 10th century and try to snipe the hiring of holy orders to push through and compensate for broken AI.

 

[StarSword]

Cause wow do I need some kind of strategy to destabilize Umayyad's. That chunk of France they're in, that's their inevitable advance to Germany. EEK! France keeps getting hammered.

Yeah, my map isn't quite as bad as yours (they've at least stopped at the Pyrenees) but it's the same general idea.

I'm the green blob of Ireland up to the northwest.