Improving relationship

[Sporally]

When you try to improve relationship with another nation or another nation tries to improving relationship with you, you'll be told how much it improve it "Hardly improved" (+10 points). But what factors decides how much it will improve? I'm trying to improve the relationship with Holland atm, but i only get 10 points, and we haven't been in any wars with each others before. We currently have -75 in relationship...

 

[unmerged(24903)]

It seems to me that the most cost effective way to improve relations is to open negotiatons and give the country you're trying to improve relations with £100, which is guaranteed to give you a 15 pt improvement in relations.

I've tested this a fair bit, and it's clear in the games I'm playing that I'm best off by doing that, as I get the "Hardly Improved" result so consistently, that I get a better average improvement by using the give £100 tactic. It is possible that my style of play is skewing my results (e.g. it doesn't take me long to accumulate badboy points, so maybe someone who plays nice might get better than "Hardly Improved" more often than I do).

From what I've seen, in future patches, I'd be in favor of seeing better average results from the Improved Relations command.

 

[unmerged(6909)]

a) 10*15 =150. Costs = 1000 $
b) 9*10+60 =150. Costs =0$

I'm always choosing option b) because I'm getting the +60, +30, +20 more often then 1-10

The # of diplomats you can get is rather low. To increase them being civilized, a GP, at war or having prestige (0.25 for every step, just forgotten the exact numbers).
Meritocracy vs Buraucracy: iirc meritocracy will give you a modifier to your diplomats (??)

In addition to increasing the # of diplomats you can also decrease the need for them: read the event files.
It's also important to know which nation has a "befriend" tied with your nation. As Prussia I will always opt for the netherlands in the belgium war at game start and stay friendly with them. They will improve our relations costing me no diplomats. I'm not sure if "befriend" is the tag, but every nation has a set of friends

 

[Dalwin]

Plus, doesn't the Open Negotiaon method use 2 diplomatic action points instead of only 1? So for the same 2 diplotatic points I can have +20 relation as a minimum and might get lucky and get more by choosing improve relations.

 

[unmerged(25703)]

It takes 1 DI.
And, btw, Both open negotiations and Improving relations cost money(about 400 or slt)

 

[Darkrenown]

The cost depends on the size(or power?) of the country. I like "improve relations" since there is a change you can get more than 10 points at a time, it could go up 10, 20, 30(?) or 50 points and I find it happens often enough to be worth it over "open negotiations".

 

[Sporally]

Don't think i know what this "open negotiations" is. Where do you do that? Also the same way as "improving relationship"? What about bad things? Are there any of those?

 

[Sporally]

Well, now i got another problem here kind of.. After an invasion and a fully annextion of Persia, the big bear now want to take small Denmark A thing that they in the real world assigned Polen to do when they got the signal to it, but in this game, they think the mothercountry itself should have that pleasure...

I tried to improve the relationship with them, and got above +100 as i thought that was enough since you loose 100 when they DoW you. This also happened this time, but then we had +17 relations.. Anyway, that was enough to attack me. Is the a maximum for what to reach so that they won't DoW you...

I fell a bit like this "relationship" thing doesn't really work/mean anything

 

[OriginalRafiki]

If you fully annex Persia, that will give you a hefty BB, as well as a common border with Russia. If Russia is bigger and meaner than you, chances are that they will start declaring BB wars on you; at that point relationship doesn't matter much, if any at all.

Rafiki

 

[unmerged(760)]

Meritocracy vs Buraucracy: iirc meritocracy will give you a modifier to your diplomats (??)

IIRC its the aristocracy choice which triggers a 1,25*diplomultiplier. it also looks like it raises the chance of better relations improvement, didnt test that though. opening the negotiations screen doesnt cost money, you just have to have that amount in cash.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

With meritocracy, you can get the "Merit is the guiding succession principle in Government"-event, which reduces the diplomatic efficiency by 20%, making it a 0.8*diplomultiplier.

Rafiki

 

[unmerged(6909)]

Thanks,
At the moment I wrote my post I just remembered that it's an event triggered by those x vs y - choices

 

[Sporally]

If you fully annex Persia, that will give you a hefty BB, as well as a common border with Russia. If Russia is bigger and meaner than you, chances are that they will start declaring BB wars on you; at that point relationship doesn't matter much, if any at all.

Well, Russia is already in a war with Persia, and on the other hand, I would have no chance in defeating Persia.

What's this "BB war"? Are there different sources of war (except from colonial and regular wars)..?

 

[OriginalRafiki]

When you been a bad boy (so that your Badboy (BB) rating goes above a certain mark), AI nations will declare war on you if they consider themselves strong enough compared to you, to "punish your evil ways" and "stop your imperialistic war-mongering".

Rafiki

 

[Sporally]

Quite realistic i assume. But then the relationship should not be that good if you ask me, or it will be some sort of surprice attack. What if i lay low for some time, will that make them more neutral to my BB?

 

[Darkrenown]

Don't think i know what this "open negotiations" is. Where do you do that? Also the same way as "improving relationship"? What about bad things? Are there any of those?

You know, the screen where you trade tech/land etc. Just opening that and sending them £100 will raise your relations by 15 while with "improve relations" you may only improve it 10 so some people prefer +15 every time to the 10-50 increase.

 

[Darkrenown]

Quite realistic i assume. But then the relationship should not be that good if you ask me, or it will be some sort of surprice attack. What if i lay low for some time, will that make them more neutral to my BB?

Annexing Persia has given you too much BB, you could go back and only take some of its land. You don't get BB from taking land from uncivilised countries, only from annexing them outright.
Or
You could give Russia some land for peace and hope your BB goes down enough by the time the peace treaty runs out (It lowers 0.5 per year on normal, you lost more on easy and less on hard etc).

 

[unmerged(24903)]

I'm just curious - but has anyone tested Improved Relations to see the average number of occurrences of a better than "Hardly Improved" results? I know that when I have done this I get less than 1/10th frequency.

If others are seeing better results, that makes me wonder if there's something I'm missing in using Improved Relations. The obvious culprit would be BB, as I believe I've always tested w/ 40+ BB. But maybe there's something more subtle? E.g. to test I rack up 10 DP, then do IR once every 7 days - maybe if you have a better than 1/10th shot at a good result, but only if its been 6 months since the last time you tried, or something like that.