improved winter mechanics

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i'm mainly sayin this because my amazing assualt into germany as imperial france has been stalemated due to the onset of winter, but i find myself thinking how bad the winter effects are. i can understand that in the depths of russia in winter it would be almost impossible to fight, but in britain or germany? let me tell you that in england in winter as long as you have a coat on, then fighting could continue as normal. however the game, in its infinite wisdom, adds a -75 penalty to attackers, just the same as it would in siberia. in my case, in western germany 1,000,000 men of the french and allied armies are stopped by 70,000 germans with tanks made of cardboard and 1918 weaponry, all because apparently a bit of snow has completely taken away their ability to fight. again, when attacking russia i have no problem with this, but there really need to be different levels of penalties depending where you are in the world - maybe a -10 penalty in england, -30 in germany, which is fairly cold but not attack wreckingly so. fighting didnt stop in france and germany between december 1944 and march '45 did it?
on the same point, why does the defender gain a +20 bonus when fighting in icy condiions? surely its almost as bad for the defenders, or at least doesnt give them an advantage. its still cold, whether you're in a bunker or running across open ground.

on a side note, while im thinking about it, surely there should be effects for hot weather too - if fighting in brazil, itd be almost as hard as in deep snow and ice, due to complete heat exhaustion of your troops.

relax, the rant's over

 

[Onlyhestands]

I like this idea, it is a bit rediculous when the advance stops the same for mild weather someplace as it does in Siberia or up North.


Fighting in Deserts and Jungles usually caries a burden on the troops, so its not disimular to heat.

 

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thats true, i had forgotten that. i realise the system cant be absolutely perfect for everywhere in the world, but even places like florida would be a hard place to fight in in midsummer.

 

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thats true, i had forgotten that. i realise the system cant be absolutely perfect for everywhere in the world, but even places like florida would be a hard place to fight in in midsummer.

Fighting in Florida in Midsummer might be unpleasant (mosquitos & humidity), but it certainly wouldn't hinder anything.

Fighting in a hot climate is more easily overcome than a cold climate. Heat is certainly punishing on equipment, but it doesn't effect people the way cold does. You won't get frostbite if you take off your glove while trying to get a clip for your rifle if your fighting in the desert or the jungle. So the penalty should not be to severe for hot climates.

While Germany might not get as cold as Siberia, frostbite and hypothermia are the same. After a certain temperature it just isn't any fun any more whether you are in balmy Bavaria or subzero Stalingrad. Equipment is the same way, once it has frozen it's frozen no matter where it is, so the penalties for winter fighting should not be that different no matter where you are. As for attackers getting a penalty on ice, I can certainly see that. If you are the defender, your sitting in you foxhole/bunker, while the attacker is moving, and moving on ice is not the easiest of endevours while you are trying to make sure the enemy can't kill you.

 

[Alex_brunius]

I agree with first post. But the easiest fix would be to change how the weather patterns works. Most of mainland europe should hardly see the frozen terrain at all but only snow for around a month or two.

More randomness would also be nice or perhaps even a general indicator on if its a mild or a severe winter (with unique weather). If its a really harsh winter I can imagine the effects in game would be a little more realistic, but hey not every winter can be that severe...

 

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I agree with first post. But the easiest fix would be to change how the weather patterns works. Most of mainland europe should hardly see the frozen terrain at all but only snow for around a month or two.

More randomness would also be nice or perhaps even a general indicator on if its a mild or a severe winter (with unique weather). If its a really harsh winter I can imagine the effects in game would be a little more realistic, but hey not every winter can be that severe...

yeh id agree with that. i dont know it very well, but i cant believe the weatehr in bavaria is ever bad enough to actually freeze equipment and give forstbite - we;re presuming that troops are given at least some standard of winter gear, and of course mountains dont apply. the amount the game makes it snow in england makes me think 'if only' - its been a year since we had any measure of snow at all where i am, and that was for one day

 

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Go to the BBC website and read the desciption of the weather in Bavaria. Remember frostbite can occur anytime the temperature gets below 0° Celcius. Now granted the colder and/or wetter it is the faster it happens, so yes a soldier in Siberia in the middle of winter is probably going get frostbite faster than the soldier in Bavaria, but that doesn't mean that the soldier in Bavaria isn't putting in alot of time and effort into staying warm.

 

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you're right, but it does have to get pretty cold to have any serious threat of frostbite. when im out in the snow, as long as you dont pick it up its not very cold at all. these soldiers would have gloves im assuming, but im not saying winter has no effect, just not the horrendously bad effect it does in the game

 

[henryjai]

this idea is one of the best!

 

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well thankyou my friend. im very surprised as i posted this after getting really pissed off at the game, and wasnt thinking very rationally