Improved Releasable Nations

[Mattymooz]

NOTE : Coming soon to the Steam Workshop : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=451040975​

This time my focus was adding new tags to add more depth. Some of them are there from the start, but many are there so that you can break up large countries.

I believe, in total I added 51 tags (plus adding in 2 nations that have tags in Vanilla but no way to spawn). I want to say thanks to @Neprut as well as all the guys on the Shattered Europa team for giving me permission to use some of their tags and flags in my mod!

Apparently you can't have a post with more than 35 images in it, so no looking at the 1444 nations for you! Have a look at my other threads

First, the releaseable tags:

Spoiler: Albret

Albret is catholic and gascon.

Spoiler: Amalfi

Amalfi is catholic and neapolitain

Spoiler: Angouleme

Angouleme is catholic and francien.

Spoiler: Apulia

Apulia is catholic and Lucano

Spoiler: Beloozero

Beloozero is orthodox and russian.

Spoiler: Bruttium

Bruttium is catholic and sicilian

Spoiler: East Anglia

East Anglia is catholic and the primary nation of east anglian.

Spoiler: Fribourg

Fribourg is catholic and arpitan.

Spoiler: Geneva

Geneva is catholic and arpitan.

Spoiler: Great Moravia

Great Moravia is catholic and the primary nation of moravian.

Spoiler: Highlands

Highlands is catholic and the primary nation of Gaelic.

Spoiler: Iceland

Iceland is catholic and icelandic.

Spoiler: Ingria

Ingria is orthodox and karelian.

Spoiler: Lustasia

Lustasia is catholic and the primary nation of sorbian.

Spoiler: Mercia

Mercia is catholic and english.

Spoiler: Nitra

Nitra is catholic and the primary nation of slovak.

Spoiler: Northumbria

Northumbria is catholic and northern (and is formed by Northumberland).

Spoiler: Poitou

Poitou is catholic and francien.

Spoiler: Ruppin

Ruppin is catholic and saxon.

Spoiler: Scania

Scania is catholic and danish.

Spoiler: Spoleto

Spoleto is catholic and the primary nation of umbrian

Spoiler: Valais

Valais is catholic and arpitan.

Spoiler: Verona

Verona is catholic and venetian.

Spoiler: Wessex

Wessex is catholic and english.

And finally the tags that have always been in the game:

Spoiler: Parma

Parma is catholic and lombard

Spoiler: Jan Mayen

Jan Mayen is norse and icelandic

 

[X-Factor]

Have 2 questions:
1. Regarding Moravia: Do you plan to make it 2 province minor country? Because If you refer it to Moravia it should be 2 province Minor (Brno and Olomouc). That will be accurate. If you refer it to Great Moravia then you got it wrong. Cores of great Moravia was on Slovakia (Principality of Nitra) and Moravia (Principality of Morava) so it will be following provinces (Brno, Olomouc, Pozsony, Zolyom and Trencsen), all other provinces were just and expansions of Great Moravia.... but it should be just Moravia (Great Moravia colapsed around 907).

2 Regarding Slovakia: Now would you consider to move Slovakia to West Slavic Culture group where is should be? I know you said that it will weaken Huungary, but currently (with regards to how are cultures treated in current game) it is not in right culture group.

Thank you

 

[bzflater]

Does it? Unless I'm being an idiot, it doesn't (see a picture of ingermanland below)

Spoiler: Cultures vanilla

It's a nation editor-only culture. It has 0 starting provinces, but it exists in game files.

 

[ShadowCammy]

J A N M A Y E N S T R O N K

 

[Mattymooz]

Have 2 questions:
1. Regarding Moravia: Do you plan to make it 2 province minor country? Because If you refer it to Moravia it should be 2 province Minor (Brno and Olomouc). That will be accurate. If you refer it to Great Moravia then you got it wrong. Cores of great Moravia was on Slovakia (Principality of Nitra) and Moravia (Principality of Morava) so it will be following provinces (Brno, Olomouc, Pozsony, Zolyom and Trencsen), all other provinces were just and expansions of Great Moravia.... but it should be just Moravia (Great Moravia colapsed around 907).

2 Regarding Slovakia: Now would you consider to move Slovakia to West Slavic Culture group where is should be? I know you said that it will weaken Huungary, but currently (with regards to how are cultures treated in current game) it is not in right culture group.

Thank you

1. Yes it is a tpm now

2. It's not about weakening Hungary, more just expanding the magyar culture group (there is not a lot of point in having it for just one culture)

It's a nation editor-only culture. It has 0 starting provinces, but it exists in game files.

Ah, I'll change that in a sec then

 

[Chlodio]

Only one I agree with is Iceland...
Giving Anglo-Saxon kingdoms cores would be as silly as giving cores to Carthage.

Parma already has a core.
Jan Mayaen hasn't always been in the game it was added in AoW patch.

 

[Vaximillian]

Adding Anglo-Saxon countries enables weakening England by releasing them in peace. France, Spain, Germanies, whatever — they can be destroyed by balsanising. Such treatment makes sense for the British Isles.

Jan Mayen though. It should have stayed an easter-egg-only country. It's not justified in any perceivable way to even add the province.

 

[ShadowCammy]

Adding Anglo-Saxon countries enables weakening England by releasing them in peace. France, Spain, Germanies, whatever — they can be destroyed by balsanising. Such treatment makes sense for the British Isles.

Jan Mayen though. It should have stayed an easter-egg-only country. It's not justified in any perceivable way to even add the province.

"It's not justified to add this actual island that's actually part of the actual world"
In Vicky II it's an easter egg that's releasable. It's been added to EU4. Why not make it releasable as well? No harm in it. It's not OP if it's a tiny island.

 

[ShadowCammy]

On-topic though, Argyll looks a bit... strange. Long.

This is real life Argyll. I can see where the shape in the mod came from, though. I guess Argyll being this shape wouldn't quite be fitting, eh?

 

[Vaximillian]

"It's not justified to add this actual island that's actually part of the actual world"
In Vicky II it's an easter egg that's releasable. It's been added to EU4. Why not make it releasable as well? No harm in it. It's not OP if it's a tiny island.

It's your right to disagree with me, and I respect it. However, „the actual island” is a lifeless rock with no inhabitants except geologists and military and little to no economic significance.
In V2 is was a joke. In EU4 it is — you guess it — a joke.
Jokes do not exist on political maps.

 

[ShadowCammy]

It's your right to disagree with me, and I respect it. However, „the actual island” is a lifeless rock with no inhabitants except geologists and military and little to no economic significance.
In V2 is was a joke. In EU4 it is — you guess it — a joke.
Jokes do not exist on political maps.

As you are entitled to disagree with me as well. I just see no harm in it.
Maybe Paradox can even capitalize on it and release polar bear DLC for Jan Mayen.

 

[wingzero890]

There should be an idea in the Diplomatic idea group to allow for 'fabricate liberation' on a target, to reduce or eliminate the dip cost for releasing a country. Influence could get one for force vassalizing as well.

 

[Vaximillian]

As you are entitled to disagree with me as well. I just see no harm in it.
Maybe Paradox can even capitalize on it and release polar bear DLC for Jan Mayen.

And I see no merits of it. However, in the end, it's not you or me who matters. Matty does.
Why? It's meant to be an obscure joke.

 

[Mattymooz]

On-topic though, Argyll looks a bit... strange. Long.

This is real life Argyll. I can see where the shape in the mod came from, though. I guess Argyll being this shape wouldn't quite be fitting, eh?

Yeah we talked about this in the other thread, it was originally called Lanarkshire. The issue is that argyll itself is a bit small, and there isn't really a good name that spans the whole province. I ended up sticking with argyll as it is like Paris in vanilla, it doesn't cover the whole province but it makes up a pretty large part of it.

 

[X-Factor]

2. It's not about weakening Hungary, more just expanding the magyar culture group (there is not a lot of point in having it for just one culture)

Yeah I see in game mechanic point ....but just saying it is incorrect. Also from the current culture group point of view it is incorrect.
Maybe you can try to create culture group called "Carpathian" and put Hungarian ,Romanian and maybe Slovak there. But it will be weird because currenty it is devided by language.and this group will be location specific. If you call the group Magyar then only hungarian can fit into this group unfortunatelly. Issue is that Slovak language has NOTHING in common with Hungarian language and current system of culture groups are language specific (not distance or location).

 

[Mattymooz]

Yeah I see in game mechanic point ....but just saying it is incorrect. Also from the current culture group point of view it is incorrect.
Maybe you can try to create culture group called "Carpathian" and put Hungarian ,Romanian and maybe Slovak there. But it will be weird because currenty it is devided by language.and this group will be location specific. If you call the group Magyar then only hungarian can fit into this group unfortunatelly. Issue is that Slovak language has NOTHING in common with Hungarian language and current system of culture groups are language specific (not distance or location).

Well it's the same with transylvainian too, they have a lot more in common with romanians than hungarians, heck, they are even closer to germans than hungarians. It's not perfect but I can't change it really :L

 

[ShadowCammy]

Yeah we talked about this in the other thread, it was originally called Lanarkshire. The issue is that argyll itself is a bit small, and there isn't really a good name that spans the whole province. I ended up sticking with argyll as it is like Paris in vanilla, it doesn't cover the whole province but it makes up a pretty large part of it.

That makes sense. Just curious

 

[X-Factor]

Well it's the same with transylvainian too, they have a lot more in common with romanians than hungarians, heck, they are even closer to germans than hungarians. It's not perfect but I can't change it really :L

Well i know what i have to change once this whole update goes live , put Slovak to West Slavic and start to play .... can't wait for that ... keep the good work!

 

[Mattymooz]

I'm just doing a bit more balancening and then I'll put it up. (Currently France doesn't seem to do anything, it doesn't even get its cores from Provence and sweden always kicks denmarks ass)

Also, if anyone knows what will stop AI's from doing this I would love to know as it is a bit ridiculous and stupid (it may just be the game rather than the mod but still):

Spoiler: Pics

 

[Zylathas]

I'm just doing a bit more balancening and then I'll put it up. (Currently France doesn't seem to do anything, it doesn't even get its cores from Provence and sweden always kicks denmarks ass)

Also, if anyone knows what will stop AI's from doing this I would love to know as it is a bit ridiculous and stupid (it may just be the game rather than the mod but still):

Spoiler: Pics

can't wait for the release.. Sadly I cannot help out with your issue.

 

[X-Factor]

Currently France doesn't seem to do anything, it doesn't even get its cores from Provence

I wonder if France picks the mission for that. Thay have missions for Provence, Brittany... later Savoy etc.