Improved Anatolia Map

[Mattymooz]

NOTE : Coming soon to the Steam Workshop : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=451040975​

After my vision of a better England was so well recieved, I'm just going to start doing other places (mainly in Europe) that I think deserve more better provinces.

Please note that the idea of these changes is too add depth to an area and make it more accurate, but not to go completely indepth in certain areas with tiny provinces. They still need to be clickable and a reasonable size. I'm not going to make an area a mass of utrechts and maltas.

So, this time my focus was Anatolia. Here is what I would change if I was Paradox:

The changes added a total of 8 new provinces. This resulted in 1 province for Ramazan, 1 for Karaman and 6 for the Ottomans. Please note that my reasoning for redrawing anatolia even though it is not part of Europe is A) to give the ottomans a buff and B) to make the change in the size of the provinces to be less obvious (at least IMO, it is less obvious that provinces are larger compared to ones next to it)

I haven't added any cultures, but would love to break up the giant turkish blob, so any suggestions would be great!

I have also fiddled with the Base Tax for the area a bit so that the area has been buffed to stay in line with the slightly stronger PLC and Hungary

Again I will be uploading it to the workshop soon, so you guys will be able to play with it. Any amendments would be great. My expertise is not in this area of the world so it could be horribly wrong!

 

[Mattymooz]

Do you have some ETA on an exact release time/date? As I am planning on starting a new game, but I want to know if it is worthwhile to do so.

Erm, hopefully tomorrow I think, I'm still struggling to get AI france to do something >.<

 

[Zylathas]

Erm, hopefully tomorrow I think, I'm still struggling to get AI france to do something >.<

isn't France doing anything at all then?

 

[Mattymooz]

isn't France doing anything at all then?

He integrates his vassals and sometimes takes his cores from provence, but otherwise just sits there (one time britain came and owned his face when they have the same army size? i dunno how)

 

[Zylathas]

He integrates his vassals and sometimes takes his cores from provence, but otherwise just sits there (one time britain came and owned his face when they have the same army size? i dunno how)

Might this have anything to do with events? Or possibly lack of interest in other nation's holdings?

Have you already checked this out with veteran map-modders?

 

[Mattymooz]

Might this have anything to do with events? Or possibly lack of interest in other nation's holdings?

Have you already checked this out with veteran map-modders?

yeah, I have no idea. They keep getting diplo rulers which doesn't help. I dunno, I think I'm just going to leave it (I could just be being unlucky, since 1.13 and they don't start at war with england they have been less active anyways)

 

[Mattymooz]

Just before I typed my previous comment I started another observe run and France declared on Burgundy in the first year, I guess I must have been unlucky

 

[Zylathas]

(that's also what I thought to be honest.. but I wasn't sure you ruled that out)

Great I'll postpone my run for a while. Can't wait to play your mod.

 

[Mattymooz]

(that's also what I thought to be honest.. but I wasn't sure you ruled that out)

Great I'll postpone my run for a while. Can't wait to play your mod.

It's now been updated (there is also a 1.13 version)

 

[Zylathas]

It's now been updated (there is also a 1.13 version)

After checking out the mod I have a few things I would like to note :

1.South-limburg isn't properly being called Zuid limburg
2.There are various nations that you gave national ideas (swiss, saw some at the ottoman) couldn't you give it the cultural ideas?
3.Forming Switzerland pulls a nation out of the HRE, I think that atleast the swiss confederation should be duchy level and not king level. The war-like Switzerland should be kingdom level and pull a nation out of the HRE. Perhaps you could also check into giving both Switzerland's some tweaked ideas. I do not think that a switzerland formed by war should have the same ideas as a Swiss confederation.

I would suggest the following :

A.Add swiss confederation ideas, which are the exact same as now.
B.Add Swiss kingdom ideas which are roughly the same as now. I.The swiss confederation idea is switched for the Swiss kingdom. Giving -10% infrantry cost II.Oases of peace and prosperity is swapped for "Pretended neutrality" giving -10% aggressive expansion. All other ideas stay the same.

4.Shouldn't both Brabant & Holland be members of the HRE?
5.Because a province in italy is orthodox the papal states now get's an event at the start which asks for italy to be catholic only. The text accompanying clearly applies to protestant only. Could you look up this event and change the trigger to only allow it to spawn with protestant/reformed in Italy?

Outside of that, it is very nice so far. I will keep looking for more though ^^

 

[Mattymooz]

After checking out the mod I have a few things I would like to note :

1.South-limburg isn't properly being called Zuid limburg

This is because Brabant (the country holding it at the start) isn't dutch. It only gets called Zuid Limbrg if the owners primary culture is dutch

2.There are various nations that you gave national ideas (swiss, saw some at the ottoman) couldn't you give it the cultural ideas?

I assumed it gave cultural ideas out based on culture, will have a look

3.Forming Switzerland pulls a nation out of the HRE, I think that atleast the swiss confederation should be duchy level and not king level. The war-like Switzerland should be kingdom level and pull a nation out of the HRE. Perhaps you could also check into giving both Switzerland's some tweaked ideas. I do not think that a switzerland formed by war should have the same ideas as a Swiss confederation.

I would suggest the following :

A.Add swiss confederation ideas, which are the exact same as now.
B.Add Swiss kingdom ideas which are roughly the same as now. I.The swiss confederation idea is switched for the Swiss kingdom. Giving -10% infrantry cost II.Oases of peace and prosperity is swapped for "Pretended neutrality" giving -10% aggressive expansion. All other ideas stay the same.

I had it pull you out of the HRE because that is the same as every other nation forming event in the hre. However, the dimplomatic one keeping you in the hre does make sense

4.Shouldn't both Brabant & Holland be members of the HRE?

Ah, is this your first time playing 1.13? Since 1.13, vassals or lesser pu members inside the hre have yellow stripes on them in the hre map mode (to make it easier for the emperor what lands are hre or not). The way to define if a country is in the hre or not is just if their capital is in the hre, hence if you click on brabant/holland, it still says that they are part of the hre (see the eagle on the diplo page)

4.Shouldn't both Brabant & Holland be members of the HRE?
5.Because a province in italy is orthodox the papal states now get's an event at the start which asks for italy to be catholic only. The text accompanying clearly applies to protestant only. Could you look up this event and change the trigger to only allow it to spawn with protestant/reformed in Italy?

I'll have a look

 

[Fennek11]

Is there any chance you'll be adding a small province for Bodrum/Petronium?

 

[Zylathas]

Yet more notes :

1.The HRE screen has one shield outside of the frame, because you have one too many nations to fit in.
2.The colour of some nations is extremely annoying as they all look too much alike. A. Especially Perugia -> Tuscany is very bad.. I suggest changing Perugia to a brown colour. B.Orleannais & burgundy is another such problem I would make Burgundy white. (fits better with the flag) aswell. (and changing orleannais will make it so it does not fit that flag anymore)

Will note more as I find it.

 

[Grand Historian]

Yet more notes :

1.The HRE screen has one shield outside of the frame, because you have one too many nations to fit in.
2.The colour of some nations is extremely annoying as they all look too much alike. A. Especially Perugia -> Tuscany is very bad.. I suggest changing Perugia to a brown colour. B.Orleannais & burgundy is another such problem I would make Burgundy white. (fits better with the flag) aswell. (and changing orleannais will make it so it does not fit that flag anymore)

Will note more as I find it.

You should put all this in the HRE thread instead of the Anatolia one, though.

 

[Zylathas]

You should put all this in the HRE thread instead of the Anatolia one, though.

Tbh, if we just had one thread for everything this would be so much easier.

 

[Grand Historian]

Tbh, if we just had one thread for everything this would be so much easier.

It would also make things much more confusing since one person could be talking about Britain and another Greece, while making it even more difficult to navigate through to find the certain area of the map.

 

[Zylathas]

It would also make things much more confusing since one person could be talking about Britain and another Greece, while making it even more difficult to navigate through to find the certain area of the map.

Tbh, this is as much as a mod as a suggestion. And I am currently playing the mod and noting all oddities I am finding to get the mistakes out of it. That's why it would be wise to get a mod thread for it.

 

[Grand Historian]

Great job on the update, what area of the world are you planning on doing next?

A few things I noted pertaining to Anatolia;

The new Beylik in Canik doesn't have Beylik ideas.
Sivas, Erzican and Erzurum are all Armenian, but not Coptic. Erzican and Erzurum should be Coptic, Sivas should be Turkish again, and Mush should probably the Coptic/Armenian as well. It might be wise to updated the Armenian cores too.

Tbh, this is as much as a mod as a suggestion. And I am currently playing the mod and noting all oddities I am finding to get the mistakes out of it. That's why it would be wise to get a mod thread for it.

I've suggested that, too.

 

[Mattymooz]

Tbh, this is as much as a mod as a suggestion. And I am currently playing the mod and noting all oddities I am finding to get the mistakes out of it. That's why it would be wise to get a mod thread for it.

*cough* https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/europe-province-fix.858437/ *cough*

Yet more notes :

1.The HRE screen has one shield outside of the frame, because you have one too many nations to fit in.
2.The colour of some nations is extremely annoying as they all look too much alike. A. Especially Perugia -> Tuscany is very bad.. I suggest changing Perugia to a brown colour. B.Orleannais & burgundy is another such problem I would make Burgundy white. (fits better with the flag) aswell. (and changing orleannais will make it so it does not fit that flag anymore)

Will note more as I find it.

1. I know about this but I don't have any idea on how to go about fixing it so
2. I hadn't noticed Perugia but I will change it. I've already changed orleans in my indev build

Great job on the update, what area of the world are you planning on doing next?

A few things I noted pertaining to Anatolia;

The new Beylik in Canik doesn't have Beylik ideas.
Sivas, Erzican and Erzurum are all Armenian, but not Coptic. Erzican and Erzurum should be Coptic, Sivas should be Turkish again, and Mush should probably the Coptic/Armenian as well. It might be wise to updated the Armenian cores too.



I've suggested that, too.

People have already said about the ideas
I used this map for culture (see below) which shows sivas as armenian (hadn't thought about coptic though, will change) and I hadn't edited mush as it isn't really Europe but I guess I will change it. Also, changing the armenian cores wouldn't really make sense (as armenia didn't control that land). It will revolt there however as it is the only armenian tag.

 

[R'hllor]

Well if you really want to start nitpicking that area WAS mostly controlled by Armenia.... During the reign of Tigranes the Great, 95-55 B.C. Those cores have been expired for a long time though.

 

[Mattius]

Nomadic Turk culture?