Improve 1933 scenario

[Fernando Torres]

Please post here your suggestions dealing with major powers (ENG, USA, GER, SOV) and historical paths only.

Thanks in advance!

 

[kiahoga]

germany in 33 is way to weak, you cant do anything till 35 or 36 because dissent is so high .you cant afford to build anything including factories or units. also the 1914 scenario ought have a little time berfore the war ,not right at the start aug 1914 great game keep up the great job. thanks

WHile it may be bleak it is not hopeless. To start its actually quite easy in the first 6 moths to keep your starting ships, have three lines of factories and be building interceptors. You need to turn off reinforcing what you have and concentrate that starting mp on building your airforce. What ive been doing is one is print some money make only start off with two or three tech researching and spend all my limited IC Consumer goods, and production. then trigger Economic recovery as soon as you hit 500 dollars and off you go.

 

[Pioniere]

** USA
1933
January 17 – The U.S. Congress votes favorably for Philippines independence.


*** USSR and USA
November 16. 1933
The United States and the Soviet Union establish formal diplomatic relations.

** Italy
Abyssinia Crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyssinia_Crisis
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* Paraguay and Bolivia
I know you want major powers but in may the 2. Paraguay declares war on Bolivia in 1933. That is a dow maybe something to add in later.
* Austria
Austrian Civil War February 12, 1934 – February 16, 1934
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Civil_War
Rep. Spain
1934 October 6 – Catalonian separatists rebel in Spain.

 

[TremblingBlue]

One thing I would like is for Austria to be a more important nation. The possibility of alliance with Italy to protect itself, etc. If Italy goes against the pact of steel (which is possible), then it should extend more protection over Austria.

 

[Evilfisher]

only thing i notice is that the german army for me never reinforced.. so it lost like 6-7 infantry division the first few days of attacking poland.. and many more later

 

[Tudesky]

For Spain I have some suggestions.

Changing the names of the three Spain tags. (Republic of Spain, Spanish Republic, and maybe for communist a Socialist Republic of Spain). I also thing this could be done to China, still see CHC as Communist china looks horrible.

Continuing with Spain. Implement the revolution of 1934.

For 1936, a change to chose the right parties in the elections, this could couse a civil war, with the communist spain against a dictatorial republican spain.

Also a chance for having instead of a civil war a succesful military coup.

I miss some Fascist leaders for SPR, as in the same way, some democratic leaders for SPA. And also some chances to decide what to do after civil war. SPR: Stay as a democracy, become communist, or many a second civil war between communist and republicans. For SPA, return of the King, maybe Falange gets some german aid to get the control of the country.

After civil war, can be consider add more elections, every 4 years, (1940, 1944 ...)

SPR ministers, some need to be revised their "ideologies", like Julian Besteiro LWR to SD. or Alejandro Lerroux, SL/SD (don't remember) to ML. Juan III, shoun't appear as a possible head of state (a republic with a King ?!!?!)

 

[TremblingBlue]

I agree with name changes. Communist China should probably be called the People's Republic of China (it does fit, because I changed it myself before). Nanjing-China can be called the Republic of China, seeing as the original is simply called China.

Republican Spain - Republic of Spain, Spanish Republic

Nationalist Spain - Kingdom of Spain, Spanish State, State of Spain

Nationalist Vietnam - Vietnam (possibility of Empire and Republic there)

Communist Vietnam - Socialist Republic of Vietnam

Let's get rid of these horrible names!

 

[Limith]

I agree with name changes. Communist China should probably be called the People's Republic of China (it does fit, because I changed it myself before). Nanjing-China can be called the Republic of China, seeing as the original is simply called China.

Republican Spain - Republic of Spain, Spanish Republic

Nationalist Spain - Kingdom of Spain, Spanish State, State of Spain

Nationalist Vietnam - Vietnam (possibility of Empire and Republic there)

Communist Vietnam - Socialist Republic of Vietnam

Let's get rid of these horrible names!

Err...
The official term used in publications by Communist China prior to the formation of the PRC was 中华苏维埃共和国
Loosely translated as "Transitional Communist Republic of China"
Nanjing-China was officially the "Reorganized National Government of China"
None of these are short enough to be put on the Country Selection Screen (I had to move countries around a ton in my CG Mod and many country names still don't fit without overlapping one another), which is why the names won't likely be changed.

 

[Wowwars]

Off topic: Will DH ever feature FOW Cheat? and is it possible to make DH have nation names in the map (such as vicky 2 had for large nations)

 

[son of liberty]

FOW cheat? What is that?

 

[Limith]

Its possible to have nation names on map, but it'd be hardcoded.

Also, there already exists a FoW cheat... nofog.

 

[kiahoga]

I would like to see the Possibility of an Allied intervention in the Winter War and a British seizure of Norway. AS we know Britain and France had plans to intervene in the winter war and seize bases in Norway even occupying Swedens Iron Mines but these plans were shelved after the Fins surrendered in Mar 1940. Instead they decided to mine Noways territorial waters and these plans were underway when Germany invaded Norway. There should be a possibility of Allied intervention in the winter war if the winter war goes into the spring, as was there intention, like it is in the game I'm currently playing.

I think it would be interesting if Norway found itself at war with both the allies and Germany as they both scramble to take the country.

 

[TremblingBlue]

Err...
The official term used in publications by Communist China prior to the formation of the PRC was 中华苏维埃共和国
Loosely translated as "Transitional Communist Republic of China"
Nanjing-China was officially the "Reorganized National Government of China"
None of these are short enough to be put on the Country Selection Screen (I had to move countries around a ton in my CG Mod and many country names still don't fit without overlapping one another), which is why the names won't likely be changed.

I know this. But currently there is no proclamation of the PRC in the game, so I'm figuring for reasons of identification (and what the communists will turn into), it should be named that by default. Same with Nanjing-China. As far as they were concerned that was the new Republic of China.

The Kingdom of Spain wasn't proclaimed for years.

I'm suggesting this because with these names these entities actually sound and look more like nations. If the Communists win the civil war in China, this big chunk of land called "Communist China" looks a bit silly to me. I want there to be a focus on what these nations can become and not what they are at the start of the game...it also saves creating name change events.

 

[unmerged(237531)]

I finished playing 1933 scenario as Germany and I have some suggestions:
-Japan is doing VERY bad in China. In 1937 it attacked with only approximately 60 divisions, what was not enough of course and got totally defeated. In 1941 China annexed Manchuria and created puppet Korea. Japanese army was destroyed and the Japs left my alliance. Then more interesting thing happened- China declred war upon Soviet Union and got annexed I think 2 years later. Communist china was then created as a puppet of Soviet Union.
-I conquered Belgium and Netherlands and I wanted to create Reichkomissariat Nord-Frankreich and Niederlanden (or how it is called) but these puppets got only Amsterdam and Brussels despite the fact that they should get more provinces according to the "Diplomacy" section.
-There is an event "Birth of Wehrmacht" which gives you unly infantry units. Shouldn't there be more types of units- at least cavalery or maybe some panzer divisions? Also, I recomment to create an event "Birth of the Luftwaffe in february 1935 which would give you some fighters and CAS.

 

[Fernando Torres]

I would like to see the Possibility of an Allied intervention in the Winter War and a British seizure of Norway. AS we know Britain and France had plans to intervene in the winter war and seize bases in Norway even occupying Swedens Iron Mines but these plans were shelved after the Fins surrendered in Mar 1940. Instead they decided to mine Noways territorial waters and these plans were underway when Germany invaded Norway. There should be a possibility of Allied intervention in the winter war if the winter war goes into the spring, as was there intention, like it is in the game I'm currently playing.

I think it would be interesting if Norway found itself at war with both the allies and Germany as they both scramble to take the country.

It's there already, I implemented it one year ago.

 

[Amartus]

Add in a possible 'anti-Nazi' coup?, I think one was planned in 1933.

I 100% agree with this; it would be nice to lead a Germany not in the grip of the Reds or the Browns. Maybe some options with Schleicher or Papen, or Weimar struggling on under Brüning and other more Republican figures.

 

[Limith]

I finished playing 1933 scenario as Germany and I have some suggestions:
-Japan is doing VERY bad in China. In 1937 it attacked with only approximately 60 divisions, what was not enough of course and got totally defeated. In 1941 China annexed Manchuria and created puppet Korea. Japanese army was destroyed and the Japs left my alliance. Then more interesting thing happened- China declred war upon Soviet Union and got annexed I think 2 years later. Communist china was then created as a puppet of Soviet Union.
-I conquered Belgium and Netherlands and I wanted to create Reichkomissariat Nord-Frankreich and Niederlanden (or how it is called) but these puppets got only Amsterdam and Brussels despite the fact that they should get more provinces according to the "Diplomacy" section.
-There is an event "Birth of Wehrmacht" which gives you unly infantry units. Shouldn't there be more types of units- at least cavalery or maybe some panzer divisions? Also, I recomment to create an event "Birth of the Luftwaffe in february 1935 which would give you some fighters and CAS.

Historically, Japan committed around 40-50 "divisions" in the proper invasion of China. A "Imperial Japanese Army" division is, though, double what the ingame division represents. 60 divisions (30 irl divisions) is already tons of divisions. What the game doesn't abstract though is that China did not want a full scale war, and as such, did not mobilize sufficiently to counter the threat (also known as they let Japan take it).

I found ingame, Japan had a hard time maintaining growth and upgrading all of its units, especially if we consider the many garrison divisions needed to hold the pacific (that didn't really exist irl). All China needs to do is grind their terrible units with rebels/factions and reinforcement-upgrade will take care of the rest (imo, reinforcement-upgrade is much cheaper than simply upgrading).

Although, the divisions in the invasion of Manchuria were deactivated after the war as Japan did not have the resources to maintain their active duty.

 

[Easy1]

I have implemented very slight changes that should be released with the next patch (don't ask me when it's out though, I have no control on this).
Now my only contribution to this game will be helping novapaddy convert WIF mod (which I don't think is a very good idea but he is very dedicated to it so I will assist him as much as I can afford to).
There are a many things that I disagree with in the way this game is being developed post-release and my opinion has been disregarded for very long but this is not the place to go into details. I just wanted to let you know so you can understand why I left the team some months ago and why I will most likely never join it again (and I have not been asked to anyway).
I'm just glad we managed to sell much more copies than anyone could ever predict. I can remember all the bashing and all those who told us this project was a mistake (and even if Paradox won't make any announcement on that, I am convinced they were happily surprised too - if they even care).
As for the future, I am involved in two new games now, but of course I can't reveal anything yet. But surely you will be kept up to date.
See you!

Well, thats a shame actually.

But I'm glad you talent is dedicated to other projects. Hopefully one of them is another WWII project?

 

[Gort11]

I 100% agree with this; it would be nice to lead a Germany not in the grip of the Reds or the Browns. Maybe some options with Schleicher or Papen, or Weimar struggling on under Brüning and other more Republican figures.

You can actually do this already. Load the 1933 scenario, and use your starting policy move to go 1 step democratic. Voila, no Hitler, and no "Nazi Germany or Communist Germany" event. At least, that's the way it was last patch.

 

[YF-23]

I just happened upon this, and it looks like something that should be included, at least as an event (given it was far from a full-scale conflict).

 

[Gort11]

I forget, was it already mentioned that you quite often get countries having communist coups, going something like Leninist (slider wise), joining the Comintern, then leaving 2 hours later because they're not communist enough?

That's the biggest flaw in the 1933 scenario - the obvious intent is that these countries are meant to be on the Comintern's side, but they don't stay that way for any length of time. Fix that first.