Improve 1914!

[Gukpa]

Hi people I have the suggestion to improve the 1914 scenario because is the greatest innovation than any game in the series has already brought Hoi, and see who can have a good future if we work more on it.Like:

*Middle War events:arabian revolt,german internal collapse 1918,Austrian Hungarian separatists revolts,etc

*Post war events: Greco Turkish War,improved Russian Civil War,American states integration,etc.

*Alternate history post war : Ottomans claims,Austrian claims,German Claims,creation of Nations like Mittelafrika Austria HUngary Civil war

*Start date changed to 1912 with the addition to more events like : Balkan War,italian invasion of Lybia,etc.

If DH team add this,the scenario will be more than flawless

 

[Gukpa]

:laugh: Well, you can give a try with OE, and read the events when they will pop up. You will learn that the entry of OE in ww1 was everything except sure.

I try with Ottomans.See my post :

In real life:
Ottoman Empire Join the Central powers in 1914.IN january of 1915 the Suez Ofensive Starts.
In DH AI
The Ottomans never joins the central power
In DH Player:
My first troop to reach sinai is totaly desorganized and only reach in march of 1915.

Good job Darkest Hour team...Good Job.

Edit: I'm not saying that the DH is bad, but it has errors

 

[Lucifer]

How many attempts have you done? If OE stays always neutral, then yes, there is a problem.

 

[Gukpa]

How many attempts have you done? If OE stays always neutral, then yes, there is a problem.

Three.After this promissed to NEVER play this scenario anymore

 

[^_AC_^]

How many attempts have you done? If OE stays always neutral, then yes, there is a problem.

They stay neutral if you play Germany and Ottomans and refuse to collaborate with each other.

For the AI of both countries, there is an average of 85% chances of alliance between Central Powers and Ottoman Empire.

 

[Hopit]

For me the amount of russian troops is staggering, east border doesn't have any troops to begin with and I can't move more there or french march over my troops who are left on the west border.
Maybe reduce the numbers of russian troops (or reduce the amount AI can warp in from another universe) or give germany more border troops.

 

[^_AC_^]

For me the amount of russian troops is staggering, east border doesn't have any troops to begin with and I can't move more there or french march over my troops who are left on the west border.
Maybe reduce the numbers of russian troops (or reduce the amount AI can warp in from another universe) or give germany more border troops.

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But that wouldn't be the historical.

I think we grouped together the units because players complained about the historical OOB (meaning that they didn't like it, not that it wasn't correct), but AFAIK the amount of troops has not been changed since 1.02, only their disposition.

 

[Gukpa]

The Ottomans need a event to send there troops faster,because is impossible to the Ottoman Army arrive in Sinai in the historical date to start the ofensive,and the troops are so slow!And I start With Germany,I collaborated,send to them the ships,but every time the AI choose to continue neutral!

 

[Gukpa]

And Finally one man of the team arrives here!We can help to improve the scenario!

 

[Gukpa]

For me the amount of russian troops is staggering, east border doesn't have any troops to begin with and I can't move more there or french march over my troops who are left on the west border.
Maybe reduce the numbers of russian troops (or reduce the amount AI can warp in from another universe) or give germany more border troops.

IN real life the Russian Empire lost two armies in Tannengerg,to simulate a Good idea is retreat of Klaipedia,let the Russians take Koningsberg,retake Klaipedia and Smash the Russians in Koningsberg. ^^

 

[Arturius]

The Ottomans need a event to send there troops faster,because is impossible to the Ottoman Army arrive in Sinai in the historical date to start the ofensive,and the troops are so slow!And I start With Germany,I collaborated,send to them the ships,but every time the AI choose to continue neutral!Absurd!

Did you choose the Schlieffenplan in your games as Germany?

 

[Gukpa]

Did you choose the Schlieffenplan in your games as Germany?

In the first I choose the extended version,but in the others i choose the normal plan.

 

[Otacon]

I'm a bit shocked that with 1.03 German Landwehr is classified as Militia, whereas Austrian and French and even Russian Armies are all infantry... Was there no other way to nerf Germany other than this completely arbitrary and horribly false solution?

 

[Arturius]

I'm a bit shocked that with 1.03 German Landwehr is classified as Militia, whereas Austrian and French and even Russian Armies are all infantry... Was there no other way to nerf Germany other than this completely arbitrary and horribly false solution?

The classification of Landwehr as militia is fine. But I agree that reserve divisions should be upgraded.

 

[Otacon]

It's not fine to classify them as militia when other nations get Infantry for divisions of the same or even worse "quality".

 

[Arturius]

It's not fine to classify them as militia when other nations get Infantry for divisions of the same or even worse "quality".

Please elaborate your statement (facts, examples).

 

[Otacon]

What's there to elaborate? The French and Prussian Armies both had around 40 regular army divisions and both conscripted millions of men at the beginning of the war. Yet, 50% of the German Army is Militia in the game, while 100% of the French Army is infantry. Does that make sense to you? If conscripts are to be classified as militia, then at least 50% of all divisions in 1914 should be militia. But thats nonsense. Sure, Austria (who has no militia ingame, too) and Prussia had less capable recruits put in the landwehr and used as occupation force or else, but how the German Army is represented ingame right now it looks like 50% of the Army were old men or handicapped.

 

[Gukpa]

What's there to elaborate? The French and Prussian Armies both had around 40 regular army divisions and both conscripted millions of men at the beginning of the war. Yet, 50% of the German Army is Militia in the game, while 100% of the French Army is infantry. Does that make sense to you? If conscripts are to be classified as militia, then at least 50% of all divisions in 1914 should be militia. But thats nonsense. Sure, Austria (who has no militia ingame, too) and Prussia had less capable recruits put in the landwehr and used as occupation force or else, but how the German Army is represented ingame right now it looks like 50% of the Army were old men or handicapped.

You are correct!

 

[Arturius]

What's there to elaborate? The French and Prussian Armies both had around 40 regular army divisions and both conscripted millions of men at the beginning of the war. Yet, 50% of the German Army is Militia in the game, while 100% of the French Army is infantry. Does that make sense to you? If conscripts are to be classified as militia, then at least 50% of all divisions in 1914 should be militia. But thats nonsense. Sure, Austria (who has no militia ingame, too) and Prussia had less capable recruits put in the landwehr and used as occupation force or else, but how the German Army is represented ingame right now it looks like 50% of the Army were old men or handicapped.

You don't considered the evolution of our conversation. I've admitted already that reserve divisions shouldn't be represented as militia. We are talking about Landwehr division. So your argument is not valid because it based on obsolete assumptions. So we are not talking about 50% of German Army anymore. You stated in post #34 that Landwehr as well should not be represented as militia and you asserted that units of other countries with 'same or even worse quality' are represented as regular divisions. I just asked for examples because I'm not of the same opinion. But maybe Gukpa can help you here. He seems to have a good knowledge about this subject according to his certain judgement.

 

[Otacon]

Well, I've already said that the Austrian Army, which has even more Landwehr or Landsturm divisions than Germany, is an all-infantry army, while the German Army is not. So, Austrian Landwehr = Infantry, German Landwehr = Militia. An additional problem I see with this is the fact that it looks like only the Central Powers recruited ages 45+, although that is entirely untrue, too.

 

[Arturius]

Well, I've already said that the Austrian Army, which has even more Landwehr or Landsturm divisions than Germany, is an all-infantry army, while the German Army is not. So, Austrian Landwehr = Infantry, German Landwehr = Militia. An additional problem I see with this is the fact that it looks like only the Central Powers recruited ages 45+, although that is entirely untrue, too.

Please don't mix up German Landwehr with Austrian Landwehr because they share the same name. Austrian Landwehr was part of regular Army and not a reserve formation like in Germany. The army of Austria-Hungary consisted of three parts: 1) the common Army ('Gemeinsame Armee'), 2) the Army of Hungary ('Honved'), and 3) the Army of Austria ('Landwehr'). The Austrian-Hungarian reserve called 'Landsturm'. There were no further differentiation whereas the reserve of German Empire was divided and sorted by quality in 'Reserve', 'Landwehr' and 'Landsturm'. Between these 3 types of reserve there was not only a difference in quality of personnel but also in equipment. So there is already a difference in personnel quality as well as in equipment quality between regular division and reserve division. The difference in these aspects is much bigger compared to Landwehr divisions. Indeed other armies recruited personnel of lower quality as well. But German Army grouped those personnel into specific divisions whereas other countries distributed them. Landwehr divisions were mostly used as reserve units behind the front. There fighting ability was bad. Why should these facts not be represented in game?