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Greetings to all I know and to all that I don't... well, greetings to you as well.

I haven't been writing lately due to the fact that it takes too much time and I get to bored to finish an AAR around 1650. Nevertheless, I still play the game and sometimes the results are just too much fun to keep to myself.

Anyway, this is the short Burgundian AAR (the only reason it even exists is because of the growth of Austria that I witnessed around 1575).

Settings, 1.07, normal, normal.
Goals: wanted to have a "normal" game. No bb wars, slow, wise expansion, no colonization (or minumum) as it ruins the game for me personally. I get too involved in Americas and then, before I know it, European politics seize to play an important gane.

French solution

I started as every sensible Burgundian player would: kicked French hard while they were down. The first war with them ended in me taking Champagne and Nivernais, then Picardie defected and the rest was business as usual. I conquered and let my English allies conquer as well and by mid 15th century I annexed Ile de France and French were gone. I really did not plan to expand into French territories much, this is why I let couple of provinces go, but I did not feel like fighting France all the way till 1820 either.

My allies

From that point my French policy was aimed toward playing Duchies against each other and making sure France does not come back. This required babysitting English, but it was Provence that suprised me by loosing Maine to rebels. Luckily Brittany intervened and annexed France for the second time. From that point on I singled out that Duchy, financed its wars and made sure it would rise to power with me. This came after realization that too many powers in Gaul would always make it more likely that French might come back.

I also supported Guyenne (it grew at expense of English, as they lost Gascogne to rebels), fought and supported Auvergne and Provence, while slowly expanding in the east.

English dissapointed me again around 1500 by letting French come back at Caux. By this time Austria is still small and pathetic. Now, if I was playing French I would make sure it would stay this way. However, I was playing Burgundy and my goal was to act as a part of HRE, support the emperor and help Austria in the future by fighting protestants. So, without provinding assistance, I let it be, not even paying attention to what the Emperor did. We did fight couple of wars, as Brittany kept attacking Savoy, the latter being a part of Austrian alliance. But those wars were short, fought on my ground, and ended usually in white peace.

The whole point of my story was to compare Austria at 1507 and Austria in 1575, so here comes the first screenshot:

bur1507.jpg


English adventure

A lot of things happen to Burgundy in between. I fought a liberation war against England (the sudden growth of Brittany, which diplo-annexed Guyenne and swallowed Auvergne made me itch and try to meet its expanse somewhere south of Seine not visa versa). Needless to say, I was victorious, occupied most of their island (have to admitt, they were already having their share of problems there with numerous rebellions threatening to overthrow the government. At least I solved that problem). The end of war saw England ceding Normany and Orleans. Calais at the time was occupied by Genoese, curse them, so it will have to wait its turn.

Austria the Huge

Then, of course, as we all knew it was going to happen, I ran into problems with Dutch, made "right" decisions, spent a lot of money, but did survive till Union of Arras. At 1575 I have only two troublesome provinces left: Holland and Zeeland and I think I can take care of them without too much effort. I even started converting them, but this is another story.

Here comes the kicker. At 1575 I looked at my eastern border and, suprise, suprise, saw that two provinces I wanted to incorporate into my kingdom are taken by Austrians (Kleves and Palatinate). Since they look like an eye sore to me, I decided to wage a quick war on Austria, take them two provinces and then use the reminder of my cash on re-establishing warm relations with the Emperor. Then my eyes wandered to the east. Make no mistake, I was fully aware that Austria grew at expense of Bohemia and Hungary. I was suprised they diplo-annexed Wurtemburg and Bavaria in a matter of weeks, but not much. Wurzburg? If I was them it'd be the first one I'd take. Milan? Theirs by right, although they should've hold on to Mantua too. Yes, they do stand at the walls of Istambul, but that was too be expected. But diplo-annexing Poland-Lithuania? Right after Wurtemburg and Bavaria? God, this is the picture, judge for yourself, have any of you seen bigger AI Austria?

bur1575.jpg


Ouch, they are going to have a lot of rebellions (I can see independent Ukraine with more than 1 province :)). Plenty of bb wars, I will tbe the first to start one, but I wish them luck, and I want them to survive after loosing no more than 10 provinces. If I get them in my alliance, protestants will start loosing ground everywhere.

Anyway, I should've just posted the screenies, but smth compelled me to write an explanation. Would like to hear your opinions about this behemoth.
 

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JESUS CHRIST!

That's ONE HUGE AUSTRIA.

Is seeing a more than 1 province Ukraine rare? In my ottoman game they've got 12 provs... Oh, and they're sunni.
 

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In my Sutans AAR they were also sunni and huge, but only with my help :) I want to see them big as a result of their own efforts :)
 

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I saw them larger in my Timurid/Mughal AAR, but I didn't take a screenie, and then they lost a lot to revolts. Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, and a few German minors broke away. Ukraine was the only one with more than one province, being three.
 

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LOL nalivayko. I don't think I've ever seen them this big in one of my games. Hey how about trying to help them keep it all? That would be fun. :D

Joe
 

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Yes, it would be :) The thought crossed my mind. But the only reason for me to support them is to see them conquering part of Protestant Europe. As long as they loose land to Catholics I am ok. Btw, I forgot to say that I bribed Pope to make me Defender of the Faith, consequently I need to take care of it... and it gives u CBs too :)

Now, this is not an aar, but I will keep you posted so we all know how it ends. I hope well for Habsburgs, 'cause I know it will end well for me... Stil, the bottom line is they did suprise me big time. For a long time I was a leader at victory points, then China got ahead (I doubt they can keep it up though) and then, out of nowhere, comes Austria. Very impressive. This is worth playing the game, to see empires born when AI is in charge :)
 

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Awesome. Diploannexing really should be made a tad more difficult..

Well at least they have left Venice alone.:)
 

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are you serius on going to war against these fellows?

Sure WE should get them very fast but still they must have mammut armies.
 

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Why is Gelre and Friesland still there?? Strikes me as odd..
 

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Originally posted by TheArchduke
Why is Gelre and Friesland still there?? Strikes me as odd..

Probably to lessen the severity of the dutch revolts

note:

Originally posted by nalivayko
Austria the Huge

Then, of course, as we all knew it was going to happen, I ran into problems with Dutch, made "right" decisions, spent a lot of money, but did survive till Union of Arras. At 1575 I have only two troublesome provinces left: Holland and Zeeland and I think I can take care of them without too much effort. I even started converting them, but this is another story.
 

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Archduke, I agree about diplo-annexing, no one should ever be allowed to annex such a huge country as Poland-Lithuania. As for Gelre and Friesland, Seli is right. First I was waiting for someone to annex them first, so that I don't have to suffer a penalty for annexing a fellow Christian country. Then, I decided to let them be until The Union of Arras event. Also one of my goals in this game is to keep my reputation below "tamished" at all times.

Rirre, your answer awaits in the brief description of events that followed 1575 in the end of this reply :)

Seli, headshot :)

Languish, thanks for warm words, what name were you writing under back then?

I did write some aars for eu2, they are all listed by MrT and they all have 'abandoned' label by them :) I am a lousy aar writer, I tend to love the game more than the writing, get ahead and then get bored.

Anyway, for those who want to know the fate of Austria...

The Bigger They Are The Harder They Fall

Right after 1575 I decided to leave Austria alone for a time and got busy fighting the Dutch. Brittany tried to force me to annex Gelre, fooled me into defeating their armies and then made peace. Outraged, once 5 years passed, I declared war on Gelre myself, and annexed them around 1582. Needless to say, the risk of rebellion there was not too high :) Zero, to be precise.

Then I saw that Munster, still Catholic and warm relations with Burgundy, was not in any alliance, so I invited it in mine. They thanked me by declaring war on Austria. I rolled my eyes, decided it was fate, and moved some 60k+ across the border. Our land tech was the same, but Austria was suffering from war exhaustion (its only ally Georgia had a misfortune of starting a never-ending war with Astrakhan) and numerous rebellions in the east. As soos as me and my allies got involved every German minor felt obliged to join. It pained me a bit to see Protestants prevail, but I had my own agenda to tend to.

To make a long story short, I captured 6 provinces before Austria agreed to cede Pfalz and Kleves (or Keln, don't have the map right now). This gave me my first province east of Rhine. There was not much fight left in Imperials (there was none to start with). Afterwards I set and watched in awe as Moldova declared its independence and 5 rebel provinces joined a new country. At 1 point it ran as far north as Chernigov. The Poland declared its independence and then Lithuania, some of the provinces joined Ukraine (not as much as I hoped, but then, of course, huge Ryazan' in the east ensures that Ukraine won't be swallowed by Muscowy too soon). Poznan' defected to Pommern and the rebellions still continue. I doubt they are going to effect Bohemia and Hungary, so by the time it's over Austria will still be huge... just not as huge as in 1575... far from it.

Meanwhile, Siena declared independence from Papal States, Spain refused to honor its alliance with Papists and I invited her in my alliance. I hope to get Austria, once the dust settles and they become a bit more stable and won't burden me andmy allies with all the bb wars.

Thus it ends today, I will keep you updated and will post a screenshot sometime later.
 

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In my last non-EEP game as Sweden, Austria annexed roughly the same territory, except for the coastal provinces around the Baltic Sea (which were mine :D ). I had high BB, so they declared war quite a few times, only to lose one or two provinces at a time to me (their leaders might have had good stats, but lacked decent AI tactics). To make matters even worse for the Habsburgers, Poland declared independence (4 provinces) and I cut off their path to the most eastern Russian-culture provinces they owned. Due to war exhaustion, those provinces rebelled and joined a Ukraine that ended up with 7 provinces.

Now I've started a new EEP 1.4 game as Portugal, and Austria has just reached its 'regular' starting territory, somewhere around 1500 now.
 

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The promised screenshot, Austria in 1594:

bur1594.jpg


Few necessary comments: in the following 10 years Austria will manage to loose Ragusa, re-conquer it, swallow Croatia and, settling wars with Lithuania, ally itself with Poland (maybe we will see a second diplo-annexation, which I will enjoy greatly). Moldova will suffer a lot of abuse from Poland and Turkey, while Burgundy will expand into Germany (with Mecklenburg being the outmost eastern province).

Oh, yes, and Poltava will defect to Ukraine, while Calais will be finally leave greedy english hands :)
 

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nalivayko,

Thanks for sharing the pics and your thoughts as Burgundy. I enjoyed them both.:)

The Austrian AI did pretty well in a game I played as Georgia. Austria 1819
 

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Backpack , ty, very impressive too :) You just had to kick Russian butt didn't you? Thanks for the pic.
 

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Quite a nice Georgian empire, but nothing comapred to my latest Bavarian empire ;)

Major Nations Absorbed into the Bavarian Reich:
Austria (1537)
France
Savoy (They were that big)
Poland (Most of the Balkans and everything up to one prov from Moscow)
Russia (Plus Siberia)
Genoa (Also quite large)

And my Stability costs are over 10,000 I think...
 

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I once saw a huge Austria with Hungary, Venice, South-Germany, most of the Netherlands, some of the Balkans and most of Turkey!

They gained a province in Turkey (perhaps Anatolya) and when Ottomans had a civil war, most of their provinces deflected to Austria.

ps. There should have been some huge penalty against moslem provinces deflecting to a christian nations and vice versa.
 

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Napoleon XIV, u r missing the point, Backpack was bragging about his Austria, not his Georgia :) Brag about ur AI, everybody knows ahuman can conquer the world with Mumbu-Yumbu.

Grosshaus, a shame you don't have a screenshot of that. I've too seen Austria get naughty with Turkey, but then they've done bad elsewhere.

FYI, I am starting Spanish aar for old time's sake, you all are welcome to visit :)