Impressions from the #HOI4PressEvent

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The problem Paradox finds themselves in when revising the game design of Hearts of Iron is getting more and more apparent. It's a catch 22 situation, where either direction is at best an uncertain outcome. If they simplify it too much and draw too much inspiration from their previous successful titles in making HOI IV, you'll end up with a confusing UI overextended by the sheer complexity of the nature of emulating a WW2 theatre with lots and lots of units. If they stick much closer to the philosophy of previous HOI titles you'll drive the casual CKII players away.

I fear they'll end up somewhere in the middle which will upset both the hardcore veterans of the HOI series and confuse the newcomers. In the end, I hope my fears are unjustified.
 
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I'm gonna call it deafening silence. There's definitley something going on.

Either the youtubers are up to something or Paradox simply didn't lift the Embargo the way we all assumed. Arumba, Quill etc. aren't dumb enough to NOT show this game. It's pure youtube gold and they know it. It might very well be that they have a multiplayer game in the next couple of days or that someone isn't able to show HOI4 for a couple of days and they decided to wait for this person (Mathas?).

In short:

1. They are up to something amazing.

2. Paradox didn't lift the Embargo as we all seem to think.

3. They're waiting for someone/something to happen.

4. Every youtuber with a key is dumb and not one of them sees the epic win for his channel (very, very unlikely, but I had to put it on this list)


Are there any other explanations imaginable?
 
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I'm gonna call it deafening silence. There's definitley something going on.

In short:

1. They are up to something amazing.

2. Paradox didn't lift the Embargo as we all seem to think.

3. They're waiting for someone/something to happen.

4. Every youtuber with a key is dumb and not one of them sees the epic win for his channel (very, very unlikely, but I had to put it on this list)


Are their any other explanations imaginable?

Deafening silence is very apt.

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
 
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I agree, that lack of any new info, from this press event is highly annoying.
 
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If they simplify it too much and draw too much inspiration from their previous successful titles in making HOI IV, you'll end up with a confusing UI overextended by the sheer complexity of the nature of emulating a WW2 theatre with lots and lots of units.

So it will just be like HoI3 ;)

If they stick much closer to the philosophy of previous HOI titles you'll drive the casual CKII players away.

I hope not. My mother loves some casual CK2 sessions between playing Angry Bird and is already very hyped about HoI4.
 
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3. They're waiting for someone/something to happen.

Interesting train of thought. Does it have something to do with this weeks dev diary?
 

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I know if I was a Youtuber and went all the way to London and spent all that time I would have made something that was ready to go for when the embargo was up. So I too now think something is up. Even if I couldn't show actual game play I would have some screen shots and talk about it. Either what I would say wouldn't be good and I thinking the game may get much better later I wouldn't be stuck with a review of a game before it as finished Or there is a reason waiting a few days is a good idea. The guy on the Josh & Jay show who did talk about it a bit seemed unimpressed with the game. To have that little to say about the game surprised me. He had more to say about his trip than the game. Do these people normally have that hard of time talking about & describing a game and how it made you feel? Even when asked?
 

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If Paradox isn't comfortable showing gameplay of the game in it's current state, that's their call. I would really like to see it though >_>
 
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Geez. I'm astounded at some people's reactions in here. Podcat mentioned that he would likely talk about the event a bit this Friday.

"I'll give a little update on stuff in the dev diary next friday about the event and what happened there." From the thread entitled "Within 2015 Really?"

As for why there's so little information being put out by third parties, my guess is as good as yours. Likely, I think it has to do with the fact that literally Paradox invited no one (from what I can tell) that has played a previous HOI title at a proficient level from what we've seen. From those that have commented on their experience with paradox games, it seems that it all stems from EU IV or CK II. Also, all those that have written articles seem to be in the same general boat. They have little knowledge of the workings of the game, and definitely weren't used to a fast-paced multiplayer setting on top of it. Multiplayer in HOI III that doesn't allow for pausing is a huge shocker to most people coming from single player and I highly doubt this will be any different. So sure, the people that attended the event were "interested" in the game, but no where near on the same level as some of the HOI IV youtubers or people watching this thread.

As for why Arumba and Quill haven't posted, who the hell knows? There's no requirements that they even have to post anything. I'm sure they'll get around to it if they feel like it but it certainly appears they are in no hurry.

From what I can tell, it appears that the Paradox team wanted to test how HOI IV would be with people that only have played EU IV or CK II and maybe generate a little media coverage as a slight bonus. Beyond that, I really doubt that we'll get anything enlightening from the event. Friday and the Dev Diary is the best bet but realistically, dev diaries are always incredibly short. I'm sorry that I feel like I'm dashing some people's dreams on these forums but I just can't bare to watch people over-hyping themselves continually.
 
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And so continues the deplorable public relations from Paradox. Don't get me wrong I really really appreciate the devs answering questions just about everyday on these forums. That's actually a bright spot...but.... I've checked these forums, and twitter, and YouTube for the last 2 days, several times a day, for nothing. Either paradox has to approve the videos before release, they were mistaken about the embargo being lifted, or the game just sucks and nobody wants to stream it. In any event paradox SHOULD have uploaded something on Monday to at least get the ball rolling. Instead we are stuck with the same old screen shots and another month before weekly DDs. Not to mention 6 more months at least before they mention off hand somewhere the game has been delayed again.
I'm new to all this game hype crap and admittedly I let the early stuff inflate my balloon pretty good. I've never been excited about a game release before and now I know why. Every week a little more of that air gets let out and I come a little more back to earth. Very disappointed in the interaction thus far with the fans.
 
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I know if I was a Youtuber and went all the way to London and spent all that time I would have made something that was ready to go for when the embargo was up. So I too now think something is up. Even if I couldn't show actual game play I would have some screen shots and talk about it. .....

The guy on the Josh & Jay show who did talk about it a bit seemed unimpressed with the game. To have that little to say about the game surprised me. He had more to say about his trip than the game. Do these people normally have that hard of time talking about & describing a game and how it made you feel? Even when asked?

Exactly, and so far we have written blurbs that don't really seem to be saying the game is shaping up to make giant leaps or even that it looks fun. In short, they have not been very positive. And the Josh &Jay show fits that line- I'd even say that the guy that answered yes to whether the game made him feel like Patton- was incongruent with his body language- and unenthusiastic at the least.

And apologists saying "But they don't know HoI" very well, what can we expect. Shesh, give be a break. They are professional gamers; who know the genre AND played several games.
 

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I think that if you watch everything leading up to you it you would see why. Also read the first page of this thread where they talk about them being able to say something, but like I said already, they are waiting for something. The article in wargamer is the best one i seen so far, even had newer pictures on it (though they are small, the one in Italian has big pictures). The article also confirms that they have the beta with them...so here is what I think, I think that Friday they will release the DD and we will find out more, or maybe even the beta will go out to the beta guys...hey, we can hope right?
 
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Looking at those pictures on that article are making me hyped alone. I think the game is looking extremely good when put side by side to hoi3.
That is just looks also, the fact that most those guys were confused after playing it make me feel like it's still nice and deep.
Listening to that talk show video and reading the articles I see all the mistakes they made and I'm sure you guys do too. Seeing that and knowing that they were confused just makes me think that the simplification that everyone was worried won't be a problem
 

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