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So despite my other initial planes, I've decided to choose Japan for my first game. I know we already have an AAR about it, but I'd still like to give some of my impressions, since my game is slightely different then Singleton's. Also his AAR got a bit long and I'd like to be more brief. Not everyone wants to read so much when we've got some politics to attend to :)

-First of all I must say that the slow westernization through little events trading research for militancy is great idea. They stress out the outside influence without any complicated system. I was basically able to become civilized just thanks to them and two or three events giving prestige. All in 1852.

-The process of westernization brought several quite strong waves of reactionary uprising. Nothing dangerous, but big enough to keep me entertained and the theoretical threat of like 300 brigades rising at once was kind of sceary :)

-When I overcome that troubles and become GP by annexing Korea in 1861, I had peacful times. New technologies brought wealth that quickly made everyone content. Since then I had just few tiny Jacobins uprisings to promote democracy. Must be really hard being a democrat in absoluti monarchy with 60% of con+reac upper house. Really, this is one of the best advances since Vicky, where rebels were almost impossible to vanquish. Can you imagine having total dictatorship there in 1870 without any risk of uprising at all and with reasonble taxes and no social reforms, while the most wanted reform is landed voting with only 3,03% support?

-I'm a bit concerned about the national focus promoting specific industry. Been trying for years to make cappies build basic industry (steel, cement, machine parts) in Osaka and Edo and without success. I only got liquor and artillery in Osaka and still nothing in Edo, where most of my cappies and craftsmen live. On the other hand Aomori got three very profiting factories.

-I sadly can't "colonize" Korea with my bureaucrats. I can't promote immigration since it is on the same continent, so it will be hard to get japanese bureaucrats there.

-Now the real fun begins. 1870 and China declared war on me. I was unprepared, since until recently we've been allies and I got to friendly relations with them. I had only 60.000 men in Korea and they got around 200.000. Some epic battles followed. Like 60.000 chinese (and with artillery!) against 15.000 japanese ending with 40.000 dead chinese and 3.000 dead japanese. I would easily kick their asses, but it looks like they got lucky. One of their generals got IIRC +3 on attack and defence. Ouch...

Nevermind, I will go back to the heat of battle. I hope this will encourage other japanese players to try their luck ;)

EDIT: I also almost went bankrupt in the early years. I taxed my poor strata too much before the invention of freedom of trade. The result was 100% of artisans not meeting their life needs. When I cut it by half, everything became much more stable.
 
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I followed the Singleton Mosby strategy with japan up until the westernization, which happened in 1851, having fired the Meiji decision in 1850 I suddenly found myself in the 7nth spot, which was easy to maintain for 1 year.
I basically invaded Korea and humiliated Dai Viet and Brunei while investigating Freedom of Trade first, then The rights of Man and finally Post Napoleonic Thought. That was it for me, no revolts, no military advisors, nothing, it's still 1856 and I'm about to give China a try.
Economically I'm literary floating in money. I can't spend all the money I make, right now I have 1.2M in my treasure, getting 200+ money every day. I'm building factories in the most populated states and that's it for the moment.
Politically I'm starting to get a little nervous about the reforms. The liberals don't seem to be able to get enough support and I'm sure I'm gonna sink into a sea of anarcho-liberals or jacobins in some years.
がんばって ください!!
 

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Japan is definitely going to be my second game (unless 1.2 comes out before that, then it's 50/50 if it's Japan or Byzantium).

Japan is just so full of possibilities and has such interesting history in the time period. Besides, already in Vicky1 one of the most satisfying things to do, was to take backwards feudal island nation into top 1 place among industrial nations.
 

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I too started out with Japan as my first game. I had read part of Mosby's AAR on same country but hadn't recently so I was going by instincts and past V1 experiences. I didn't attack Korea for awhile, until my debts were all paid by Freedom of Trade, then I expanded the Navy and the Army, attacked around 1840? for a war of humilation first, easily achieved. Then I continued my army and navy expansion - Japan can easily build a large army, I don't understand why other nations mil scores are so small in comparison.

Anyways I finished off Korea in 1845 and then China immediately attacked me. I was unprepared, their large navy of transports must use ramming tactics against my 6 frigates as I lost control of the seas and badly outnumbered in Korea, with a number of Japan provinces showing signs of revolt, I let them have Pyongyang region. Unfortunately I didn't choose any prestige granting techs so I am stuck at 20 prestige after losing the war and it's 1851 and still unciv. I will probably play a bit more to at least achieve that and then try a smaller nation like Argentina or such.

I have question for those who may have turned Japan into a Contitutional Monarchy - it was a great choice to remain that in V1 as plurality had no effect on rebellions with that form of government. I could find no such info either in the Strategy Guide or Manual. Any ideas about this as I often stayed a CM as Japan and it suited them very well (as it did historically).
 

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Crazy thing happened in my japan game , I got korea etc and took an oppertunity strike against china because everything was under rebels and the british were moving in.

I demanded Aipen as a colony (north of korea , machuria) but it was bigger then all Core states and now they are stealing all my workers (the pop for the state is 6mill), I cant even try to turn into a full state because my bureaucrats turn into their culture.

I really want to make that state into my factory powerhouse so can someone give me some advise please?
 

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In order to get prestige I kept fighting the Chinese... for about a year. :) Recently, I've been undergoing a recession... due to laissez-faire economics and Europeans more efficient factories. I managed to get some reform through (voting) and now I'm a Prussian-style government, but the upper house is a three way tie between socialists, conservatives and liberals, with reactionaries at around 8%. Fun, but frustrating :(
 

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In order to get prestige I kept fighting the Chinese... for about a year. :) Recently, I've been undergoing a recession... due to laissez-faire economics and Europeans more efficient factories. I managed to get some reform through (voting) and now I'm a Prussian-style government, but the upper house is a three way tie between socialists, conservatives and liberals, with reactionaries at around 8%. Fun, but frustrating :(

This happened in both my games, it's gonna be my next "field of study" for my next games, as if you fail to pass reforms, in a couple of decades everything falls apart in revolutions...
 

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China was eaten alive in my game, even if it would push far into Russia's Siberia, they would call it quits and just give what the Russians want... several wars like this later and the other powers hop on the bandwagon.

I westernized and after 6 months was a 7th placed Great Power right off the bat, thanks to my 2 strongest army in the world... by 1858.

I have a inflated bureaucracy (I had much cash to spend), and near the end I had about 1.9 percent of my population were clerks before I started the long trek of industrializing.

Essentially the first bit was me burning off badboy to discover that USA is protecting Korea, an the brief period of peace China had under me was destroyed when they were kicked from my sphere of influence and promptly pounced on.

So my goals now include kicking USA out of Asia, and building the Suez and Panama Canals...

Granted now that I am industrializing, I am finally burning cash and started to drain through my vast cash reserve.

I almost had a fairly large liberal revolution by my Clergy (that bit me in the proverbial behind) but the liberal revolution ended rather quickly and only 1 out of 150 brigades revolted... Granted I had a fairly large mainland army of around 75 brigades, and maybe another 36 in Japanese Brunei.

SO far it is a rather interesting game... still a absolute Monarchy with the Court faction in 1875.

Kobe Gold mine, I LOVE YOU!
 

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it's way too much cash:)

I think so, although I can't really complain, after researching Freedom of Trade as my second tech (wanted another national focus point to spread bureaucracy and edjumacation via clergymen, and some more officers.)

I had taxes at 25% for all strata, with 25% subsidization on imports... who knew a government would pay a quarter of all imported goods eh.

I wasn't hurting... let's just put it that way. :)

Was still making a healthy profit of around 50 - 100 pounds a day, and I was expanding my army on a regular basis... by the time industrialization rolled around I was furiously expanding the railroad and upping my naval bases.

I'm going for a second playthrough and just invade Korea this time to see what happens.
 

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I went for a pretty peaceful Japan focusing on diplomacy and industry. Annexed Korea in 1838, weternized by 1850, got 5th GP thanks to a large army that I have since only used for rebels. For tech I shot up the +1 National Focus techs to Nationalism and Imperialism right off the bat, and the oodles of pluralism sped my research up quickly into the 20's and I think I'm at about 35 in the 1870's. Sitting at 3rd GP behind GB/France because of their prestige, but my industry is only behind Austria right now. Spent a lot of time promoting craftsmen with my 5 NF points.

Koreans are becoming extinct, more Japanese in Korea than Koreans (I think about 1 mil of them left). I allied China early and have kept them friendly while I SoI'ed all of SE Asia (in a diplo-war with GB here) and also got most of South America - Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia.

But, yeah, lots of money, and I've gone back and forth between Planned Economy and Interventionism since I have a Prussion Constitutional gov't. Liberals are just about to take over my upper house and maybe I can move to a Constitutional Monarchy here soon.
 

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Playing Dai Nam, trying to westerinize.gonna be hard to get another 25 prestiege...arg. (I allied with China/Japan- maybe I can 'humiliate the UK a few times...).
 

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