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Yesterday I finished my France 1492 game by speeding the last 25 years. To most intents and purposes it was my first game, and for reasons I'm not all sure about I'll share some impressions.

First of all, it is tempting to start shouting about how the game is too easy. After all, towards the end I totally dominated Europe, annexed Austria "just because", forcevassalized Russia after a war lasting March to October. It almost felt like I was cheating in the end. My manpower was largely irrelevant, and the only time I even had to glance at my treasury was when I built my FAA number 39 and 40 (they were expensive!) and when I decided that every province of "France proper" should have a manufactory.
But such shouts wouldn't be totally fair. To begin with, starting as France 1492 is hardly an underdog position. But foremost, I have had access to this forum, read FAQs, asked questions, listened to other questions. Without doing that, I would probably still go on 100% maintenance all the time, run up huge inflation when I try to keep a balanced budget every month, blunder about with huge armies in the winter seeking battle instead of sieges, attack over rivers towards mountains with cavalry... you name it. So this game was easy, partly because of France, but mostly thanks to all you awesome and helpful guys. Thank you!

More impressions or questions:
I had looked forward to the French revolution, hoping it would be an interesting challenge. When it came around, it was very tame. Some modest stabhits, that was almost everything. In all likelyhood, there were missing triggers, because I had Louis XVI as monarch... well, a long time, and he was replaced by Louis XVII. I poked around a bit in the event files, but to be honest, I suck at reading those things. Does my missing turmoil have anything to do with the facts that USA never appeared in the first place, or that I picked the middle, moderate option ("modest social change" or suchlike) in an event close to the revolution?

When I was rummaging in the event file, I found the Masters of Europe event that appeared to trigger between 1801 and 1814 if you had Spain, Austria, Prussia and Russia as vassals. (I don't have access to the file now, but that's how I remember it.) That sounded neat, so I set out to achieve that. Both Austria and Russia were vassalised before 1800. But Prussia didn't exist, and I annexed Spain 60 years before that. The event never triggered. I had hoped that the vassal condition would imply that if the countries didn't exist I needn't have them as vassals. Was this wrong, or did I miss anything else?
(Hmm... come to think of it, such an implication would be problematic. For example, if other countries had annihilated those four, that would automatically make France Master of Europe. Hardly fair. Well, I'll see what you say.)
 

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You could have released Spain and Prussia as vassals yourself, assuming you had control of their provinces.

I'm glad you enjoyed your first game. France is probably the easiest. Now try a completely different nation for a completely different experience. That's one of the great things about this game, it plays out differently each time, even though it's the same map, with the same countries. Austria or Russia or the OE might be good. Less colonizing and more warring :D
 

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Yep France 1492 is the recommended 'learn the ropes' scenario, now try something harder like Ottos or Sweden! About the Revolution, a lot of the rebellions got toned down in the patches from calculating revolt likelihood from monthly to yeearly thats why they may seem weak. Also remember you are a heck of a lot more powerful than France actuallly was in 1789, you counld try France in the Nappy's Ambition scenario, it wont be as easy!
 

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Troggle said:
You could have released Spain and Prussia as vassals yourself, assuming you had control of their provinces.

You know, that though never struck me! Then again, I don't think I owned Prussia's provinces.

passer by said:
Yep France 1492 is the recommended 'learn the ropes' scenario, now try something harder like Ottos or Sweden!

Yes, as a matter of fact, my plan is to take on Sweden and/or Venice next. Sweden might be a deja vu experience, since I've played a Denmark game parallel with my France game. But, being Swedish myself, Sweden is of special interest and I'm curious of the Swedish events. I'll also try to have different goals than with Denmark. I'll probably always have making the Baltic Sea a Swedish lake as a goal, but this time I'm contemplating conquring India and wreaking havoc in sothern Africa. I never went there before. And starting with isolated Sweden, it surely is a long-term goal!
 

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I actually played Sweden after France/ England and found it rather hard going as you are very poor and there are quite a few destabilizzing events. Plus there are no explorerers or conquistadors and beating an oversized Poland-Lith that ate up Russia was very hard.
 

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Sweden is too easy. If you complain about France, play Lorrain and look at it from the other side. Now France is really scary.

The french revolution is a bummer. The conditions require that the US exist and that the american revolution happens. Given how poorly the AI colonizes, unless you know the conditions and don't outcompete England in colonizing NA it is unlikely that it will happen. Perhaps it has been fixed in AGCEEP. I was also pretty upset when I reached 1798 and only had a hiccup.
 

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Sweden is too easy.

Too easy for you maybe ;)
And I don't really complain about France; I like to think of it as observations.
But I would not play Sweden if didn't have a special interest in it.

unless you know the conditions and don't outcompete England in colonizing NA it is unlikely that it will happen.

Without consciously aiming for it, I think I owned all of the US-to-be-provinces. At least England didn't own any of them.
 

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Fodoron said:
Sweden is too easy. If you complain about France, play Lorrain and look at it from the other side. Now France is really scary.

No, no France -> Lorraine is not good. Remember its only his first/ second game.
Better is France-> Sweden/Poland -> Brandenburg -> Lorraine. If you can survive with Lorraine and prosper, you can do anything (in EU II ;)).
 
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No, no France -> Lorraine is not good. Remember its only his first/ second game.
Better is France-> Sweden/Poland -> Brandenburg -> Lorraine. If you can survive with Lorraine and prosper, you can do anything (in EU II ;)).
Next step is Orleans. :rofl:
 

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You need to play France with the AGCEEP. I've only gotten that far with France one time, but the revolution was pure hell for me. The events wreaked havoc on domestic policy sliders, my inflation went up by 30% through events, province revolts were endless, and I got hit by four civil wars.

When the first civil war hit it seemed as though 80% of my military and provinces went rebel (including ALL of my historic leaders). I had several huge units of 35,000 Infantry, 35,000 Calvary, and 300 Cannons (I was filthy rich, why not have a huge army?). So to have most of them turn on me really sucked! I had to build a force of equal strength to kill them off and take back all of my provinces. Then, within another year or two, 80% of my new army turned against me. This went on four times in a row all within a 20-year timespan. Pure hell.
 

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Best way to trigger the extreme revolution is to check the triggers and then add the event ids to the history in the save, I always do that with my France games, the tricolour looks cool :)
 

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Horvendile said:
I had looked forward to the French revolution, hoping it would be an interesting challenge. When it came around, it was very tame. Some modest stabhits, that was almost everything. In all likelyhood, there were missing triggers, because I had Louis XVI as monarch... well, a long time, and he was replaced by Louis XVII. I poked around a bit in the event files, but to be honest, I suck at reading those things. Does my missing turmoil have anything to do with the facts that USA never appeared in the first place, or that I picked the middle, moderate option ("modest social change" or suchlike) in an event close to the revolution?

When I was rummaging in the event file, I found the Masters of Europe event that appeared to trigger between 1801 and 1814 if you had Spain, Austria, Prussia and Russia as vassals. (I don't have access to the file now, but that's how I remember it.) That sounded neat, so I set out to achieve that. Both Austria and Russia were vassalised before 1800. But Prussia didn't exist, and I annexed Spain 60 years before that. The event never triggered. I had hoped that the vassal condition would imply that if the countries didn't exist I needn't have them as vassals. Was this wrong, or did I miss anything else?
(Hmm... come to think of it, such an implication would be problematic. For example, if other countries had annihilated those four, that would automatically make France Master of Europe. Hardly fair. Well, I'll see what you say.)

The French Revolution depends on whether there's a USA and on your sliders. First of all you need the Americans to appear and publicise republican ideals, the philosophy of Thomas Paine etc, and then you need to have sliders set so France has a certain level of Serfdom and/or Aristocracy. Most human players will have naturally moved the sliders to make the French monarchy fairly liberal and tolerant anyway, so an English style revolution will fire instead, giving you a constitutional monarchy.
What you could have done to fire the Master of Europe event (never heard of this) is taken the province Prussia and then released it and released Spain as well.