• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Moogel

Captain
126 Badges
Oct 19, 2002
352
2
Visit site
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Naval War: Arctic Circle
  • Penumbra - Black Plague
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • Supreme Ruler: Cold War
  • Teleglitch: Die More Edition
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Warlock 2: The Exiled
  • War of the Roses
  • Stellaris: Nemesis
  • Deus Vult
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Commander: Conquest of the Americas
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Heir to the Throne
You know that various options regarding factories depend on the government type, so if you want to plan your production play a government that can.
 

Bob Ilyani

Someone
85 Badges
Feb 8, 2009
712
1
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Stellaris
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Dungeonland
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • The Showdown Effect
Example time: starting a new game as Austria, #3 in the World Rankings of Awesomeness. Here's what you can do, going across the information bar (which is excellent, by the way).

PRODUCTION: nope, all of the factories are started automatically by capitalists.

BUDGET: maxed out all my sliders and lowered taxes so all groups could afford luxury goods, earning 300 pounds per day. Nothing to change here afterwards.

TECHNOLOGY: pick a tech, come back 4 years later.

POLITICS: nope, no reforms to do. Political party seems OK to me.

POPULATION: nope, all automated. Can place 2 National Foci for colonies or to nudge people towards a POP group.

TRADE: goodness, let's let the AI handle this mess.

DIPLOMACY: here's something. Spend the plentiful diplo points to change relations from negative to friendly in 12 months. Add countries to your sphere of influence, if you are a Great Power.

MILITARY: here's something else. Queue up some troops, wait for war.

So there you go. After the first ~5 minutes of setting things up, what to do? Diplomacy and wait for events or rebels or war. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
1. Austria isn't 3rd overall, Russia is. http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1811/1836diplomacysetup.png

Production: That depends on the party that's in power; some parties allow you to build factories yourself. I'd think that someone reviewing the game would have played enough to realize that.

Budget: Have you passed any reforms yet? I highly doubt it's that easy. Again, makes me wonder how much you've actually played the game.

Technology: Sure, we can go with that one. Sounds reasonable enough.

Politics: Have you played to the start of the liberal revolution? The rise of socialism? Fascism? I would think those would make the politics side a little more interesting than what you've described.

Population: The number of National focuses you have changes over time, with your population. It's not always a static number. Also, focuses can also promote industry when you can't build it yourself, which is, once again, something you can do in the game.

Trade: Sure, Indeed it is complicated. But you can't complain about a game not having enough to do when you're scared of it's features. ;)

Diplomacy: Sure, despite the fact that you left out the fact that other GPs can do the same things and sometimes will work to hurt your own investments. Sounds like a time-spending feature to me.

Military: What about the fact that soldiers are tied to specific POPs, and can rebel, making a multicultural nation like Austria hard at times to manage?

I haven't played the game yet, but it seems to me like I answered all your complaints. I just personally can't believe that so many features are actually so boring. Did you ever play the colonial game? Did you ever fight a Great War? I have a feeling you haven't played this game as much as you say you have.
 

timsfker

Pants
122 Badges
Aug 6, 2009
80
36
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • BATTLETECH
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Cities: Skylines - Green Cities
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • BATTLETECH - Beta Backer
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Surviving Mars: First Colony Edition
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Prison Architect
  • Cities: Skylines - Campus
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Mount & Blade: With Fire and Sword
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Field Marshal
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
Don't crucify him, these are just first impressions, and if you're familiar with his site you'd know his reviews are usually of high quality. As others have said, there is more interaction in the game than you're currently seeing depending on your government's economic policy (It sounds like you're on laissez faire at the moment). Perhaps it is also a matter of how much you put into the game. If you read OHGamer's AAR he has done quite a bit and it has only been 7 years or so. It also might depend on whether you are playing it as a game in order to maximise numbers and "win", or are trying to roleplay history. I haven't played the game of course, just my opinion.
 
Last edited:

Dragoneer

First Lieutenant
77 Badges
Feb 29, 2004
270
48
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Sengoku
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • 500k Club
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Magicka: Wizard Wars Founder Wizard
  • Pride of Nations
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Rome Gold
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Stellaris
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Cities: Skylines - Natural Disasters
  • Crusader Kings III: Royal Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Cities in Motion
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • For The Glory
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
he might have a point though, with all this automatization will there be anything left to actually do? its one of my worst fears, but lets hope im wrong :) we will have to wait and see....
 
Last edited:

Hyzhenhok

Lt. General
78 Badges
Jul 22, 2003
1.329
75
Visit site
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • 500k Club
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Magicka: Wizard Wars Founder Wizard
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Stellaris
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Deus Vult
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
You make it sound like this is as opposed to EU3. If you actually have things to do in EU3 between the wars while your infamy goes down besides clicking a ton to build improvmeents and squashing rebels, I must not have been playing EU3 for the past two years.

Just sounds like a case of expectations being a bit higher than warranted (which to be fair, you openly admit).
 

Benandorf

Major
119 Badges
Jun 11, 2009
518
2
  • Naval War: Arctic Circle
  • Gettysburg
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Impire
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Lead and Gold
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • March of the Eagles
  • For the Motherland
  • Pirates of Black Cove
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • The Showdown Effect
  • Victoria 2
  • For The Glory
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Deus Vult
  • Dungeonland
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • A Game of Dwarves
Automization should not be viewed as a bad thing. Most who played Victoria 1 would agree that the micromanagement of POPs as a large nation was hell, and detracted from the game. It looks like in Vicky 2's case, as with HOI3, the automization is there to keep you from having to micromanage the less important things, while still being able to have an effect on the outcome of things like POP promotion. And, of course, to allow you more time to worry about things like colonization, increasing your sphere, and wars.
 

Ex Mudder

Field Marshal
119 Badges
Oct 21, 2001
3.881
736
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • King Arthur II
  • Lost Empire - Immortals
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Semper Fi
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Warlock 2: The Exiled
  • 200k Club
  • 500k Club
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • East India Company
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • Cities in Motion
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Commander: Conquest of the Americas
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
Silly question, do you have the just announced Gold version, or an earlier press copy?

Dunno if it would make a difference, but it might.

Also, shouldn't you be trying to form Germany before the Prussians do?

Sounds like you like the interface at least.
 

Colon

Major
2 Badges
Feb 19, 2000
666
88
Visit site
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
You make it sound like this is as opposed to EU3. If you actually have things to do in EU3 between the wars while your infamy goes down besides clicking a ton to build improvmeents and squashing rebels, I must not have been playing EU3 for the past two years.

Just sounds like a case of expectations being a bit higher than warranted (which to be fair, you openly admit).

The image I've been having of Vic2 reminds me of Sim City, in which you can perfectly leave the time running while you go for a shower. Not having enough to do shouldn't be an issue if you're happy to concern yourself with strategic decisions and checking pie charts, while leaving operational aspects to the game. To others it may feel like watching grass grow though.
 

JoeGiavani

Banned
7 Badges
Jan 9, 2006
1.911
2
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
The image I've been having of Vic2 reminds me of Sim City, in which you can perfectly leave the time running while you go for a shower. Not having enough to do shouldn't be an issue if you're happy to concern yourself with strategic decisions and checking pie charts, while leaving operational aspects to the game. To others it may feel like watching grass grow though.
Good job there's no wars in this game then.
Or internal politics.
Or an AI that's actively trying to diplomatically outmanoeuvre you.
And you always have a laissez-faire party in charge.
 

JaguarUSF

Captain
74 Badges
Feb 21, 2004
314
0
www.outofeight.info
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Lead and Gold
  • Legio
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Naval War: Arctic Circle
  • Pirates of Black Cove
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Sengoku
  • King Arthur II
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • Starvoid
  • The Showdown Effect
  • Victoria 2
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Warlock 2: The Exiled
  • War of the Roses
  • War of the Vikings
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings III: Royal Edition
  • Diplomacy
  • Ancient Space
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Commander: Conquest of the Americas
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Dungeonland
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • For The Glory
  • Gettysburg
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Impire
I'd think that someone reviewing the game would have played enough to realize that.

Budget: Have you passed any reforms yet?

Politics: Have you played to the start of the liberal revolution? The rise of socialism? Fascism?

can rebel, making a multicultural nation like Austria hard at times to manage?

None of the things you describe are present at the beginning of the game, which is the situation I had in my example. It's hard to pass any reforms or have a revolution before you've started the game timer.
My point is it takes time to have any of those things occur, and you spend a lot of time simply waiting for those things to happen.

I like automation...to a point. I just think the developers automated too much and leaves the player with not a lot to do, especially for non-Great Power nations.

I have been playing a very late beta (the gold version should be coming this week), but in the past I haven't seen much of a difference between a very late beta and gold version in Paradox games (mostly bug fixes). But things can change, to be sure.

I don't want things to get hostile in here, just wanted to post some thoughts based on somewhat limited play time by a non-beta tester, that's all. Full, likely lengthy, review day of release.
 

Bob Ilyani

Someone
85 Badges
Feb 8, 2009
712
1
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Stellaris
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Dungeonland
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • The Showdown Effect
None of the things you describe are present at the beginning of the game, which is the situation I had in my example. It's hard to pass any reforms or have a revolution before you've started the game timer.
My point is it takes time to have any of those things occur, and you spend a lot of time simply waiting for those things to happen.

I like automation...to a point. I just think the developers automated too much and leaves the player with not a lot to do, especially for non-Great Power nations.

I have been playing a very late beta (the gold version should be coming this week), but in the past I haven't seen much of a difference between a very late beta and gold version in Paradox games (mostly bug fixes). But things can change, to be sure.

I don't want things to get hostile in here, just wanted to post some thoughts based on somewhat limited play time by a non-beta tester, that's all. Full, likely lengthy, review day of release.
Fair enough, and you may as well know better than I do, since you've actually had hands-on time with the game, while I've only been going off of what I know from the DDs and beta AARs, which IMO make the game seem quite hands-on. That being said, I'll see all when the game comes out.
 

unmerged(61972)

Sergeant
Oct 23, 2006
59
0
www.facebook.com
The image I've been having of Vic2 reminds me of Sim City, in which you can perfectly leave the time running while you go for a shower. Not having enough to do shouldn't be an issue if you're happy to concern yourself with strategic decisions and checking pie charts, while leaving operational aspects to the game. To others it may feel like watching grass grow though.

Nice observation
 

JoeGiavani

Banned
7 Badges
Jan 9, 2006
1.911
2
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
Mmmm, what about forming union nations? That was one of the things I was looking forward to in vicky 2, arguably what I was looking forward to the most, as eu 3 lacked a lot of union tags, and vicky had barely any.
There are union tags. But the groups are much smaller than in EU3. For example, dutch isn't in the German group, Poles are in a group of their own, etc.
 

panther-anthro

General
126 Badges
Sep 22, 2007
2.129
330
www.gamerisle.org
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • King Arthur II
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Naval War: Arctic Circle
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Sengoku
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Warlock 2: The Exiled
  • Warlock 2: Wrath of the Nagas
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Deus Vult
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Darkest Hour
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • For The Glory
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Heir to the Throne
There are union tags. But the groups are much smaller than in EU3. For example, dutch isn't in the German group, Poles are in a group of their own, etc.

Eh, I know there smaller union tags but I'm worried some places got jipped out of 'real' union tags like Indochina, central asia etc. :p Also, there's a tiny part of me that hopes greece has a union tag known as you know what.
 

ayrnieu

Sergeant
61 Badges
Jul 26, 2010
51
0
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Semper Fi
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Majesty 2
  • Magicka
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Lead and Gold
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Field Marshal
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • BATTLETECH
  • Surviving Mars
  • Surviving Mars: First Colony Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris
  • Achtung Panzer
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Rise of Prussia
  • 500k Club
  • War of the Roses
  • Victoria 2
  • Teleglitch: Die More Edition
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
Jaguar, have you tried the multiplayer? This sounds pretty fun.

And your comment about non-Great Nations... it's not so wise to pick a One Province Wonder in EU3, either. What do you think of playing the UK, Prussia? Some plucky country like apparently Brazil that could become a Great Nation?

Of automation, I'm happy to hear that it's indeed possible to have a laissez-faire economy :)
 

Brownbeard

Hostile native
60 Badges
Apr 26, 2004
3.103
1.779
www.index.hr
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Pride of Nations
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Knights of Honor
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Commander: Conquest of the Americas
  • Deus Vult
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • For The Glory
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • Warlock 2: The Exiled
Its funny how a thread about Patrician IV(since I liked Patrician 3 and Port Royale 1&2, I have high hopes for this one) got hijacked to Vicky 2 from first post.
 

unmerged(68110)

Captain
Feb 10, 2007
408
0
Well, Laissez-faire would be pretty damn stupid if it actually allowed you to intervene in the economy. :D

And automation is GREAT, considering the scale of the game. Organizing a late game economy was a nightmare with any sufficiently large country - I want to focus on the big picture, not making sure that two POPs in Newcastle and one in who-knows-where have to be split!

Mr. Allen also has some top quality reviews and is one of the best sites out there for that type of stuff. However, seeing his review of EU: Rome, he kind of let emotions take over before writing what he feels about a game. hahaha :)