Impose Ideology as Megacorp

[Thecarlocarlone]

I don't know how this makes sense. Why would a corporation wage war to establish another similar corporation in charge of its former enemy?

I can understand a democratic nation wanting to bring democracy to its neighbors or a spiritualist empire ready to wage war to "guide" other nation to the "right path".

How about Megacorps though?

 

[Quinzal]

I thought Impose Ideology just shifted the target's ethics and kicked them out of their federation?

It would be kind of weird if they also took your style of government.

 

[Everstill]

Didn't they changed it in recent patches to create a normal empire with merchant guilds...?

 

[fusei]

Didn't they changed it in recent patches to create a normal empire with merchant guilds...?

Only if you release them as vassal from your own systems. Impose ideology still results in an MC so it's useless.

 

[VladMar]

Yeah kinda bummer, it should also create normal empire with merchant guilds.

 

[klopkr]

Ya know it does sort of make sense that imposing your ideology would make them just like your empire. It's just that it doesn't work at all mechanically.

What if they kept impose ideology but also gained 'Organize Consumer' CB wich makes a normal empire with your ethics and gives you free reign to set up branch offices in them.

Then you could do both!

 

[SirBlackAxe]

Casus Belli: Open for Business

Requirements:

• You must have corporate authority.
• Target must be a standard empire.
• Your war policy must be set to Liberation Wars.

Victory effects:

• If the target is xenophobic, they lose the xenophobe ethic and gain the xenophile ethic.
• The target gains the Merchant Guilds civic:
  • If the target has Aristocratic Elite, Exalted Priesthood, or Technocracy, it's removed and replaced with Merchant Guilds.
  • Else if the target has an empty civic slot, they gain Merchant Guilds.
  • Else if the target has an invalid civic, it's removed and replaced with Merchant Guilds.
  • Else a random civic is replaced with Merchant Guilds; preferably one that doesn't risk disrupting their economy.
• You form a commercial pact with the target that they can't cancel for 10 years.

Status Quo effect:

• If you've fully occupied an unclaimed inhabited system, all fully occupied unclaimed systems are formed into a new empire with your ethics, Oligarchic authority, and the Merchant Guilds civic. You form a commercial pact with the new empire that they can't cancel for 10 years.

 

[Blackadder23]

I thought Impose Ideology just shifted the target's ethics and kicked them out of their federation?

It would be kind of weird if they also took your style of government.

Last time I used it, it was indeed changing their government to match mine. I assume this is so you can "spread democracy" or whatever.

 

[legionof1]

Impose is specifically deficient for megacorps for 2 reasons one major and one minor, both stemming from how megas interact with each other. the major is that you can not integrate another mega, so impose puts the full productivity of those pops out of your reach until the next war at minimum. The second is branch office competition.

Poltically impose still does everything else for a mega that it does for a normal, make a weakened ethically aligned ally out of a former enemy.

Imo it's a stylistic choice that megas work like this for war, your supposed to be a territoriality small, economically/politically powerful. empire with a bunch of semi independent bootlicker subsidies. Shop smart shop S mart. Never mind that you franchised out a bunch along the way, everything falls under your pyramid.

Where it falls apart in how the game play works out atm, wide is superior, AI allies are the paste eating kid from the third grade on a good day, and anything you can not directly oversee is wasted resources.

Good flavorful gameplay design, that sadly was a little off kilter at launch and only got worse since in terms of style vs reality. Atm the best trade empire is not a mega but a merchant guild with federation and mercantile.

 

[Everstill]

Only if you release them as vassal from your own systems. Impose ideology still results in an MC so it's useless.

Well, that's crazy. They need to change the impose ideology to work like the release vassal. The Megacorp want to impose their ideology... not create competition.

 

[Liggi]

Well, that's crazy. They need to change the impose ideology to work like the release vassal. The Megacorp want to impose their ideology... not create competition.

I'm not 100% sure I agree (I'm not sure if I disagree either).

The idea behind "Impose Ideology" is that it's a "Liberation War", right? You're liberating the people. You're doing it for their good, not for yours. And clearly you think your system of Government is the best, so you help them set up their own version of it.

Whereas when you're vassalising someone, it's about asserting control over them, not about "helping" them (necessarily). So it makes sense to reconstruct their Government in a way that is useful to you.