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Well, it sucks major balls that this CB has now been removed. What use is it to people that have already restored the Roman Empire? I mean, if you already are the Roman Empire, you can just reconquer de jure places by using the de jure claim casus belli. This is pretty plan-breaking for me in my current game.
 

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De Jure CB is one province followed by a 10 year truce. Imperial Reconquest CB is one duchy followed by a truce.

Remind me why you don't see the need....
Okay, but still. Why exactly can't the Byzantine Empire say "We're all that's left of the Roman Empire, we can conquer all these places."? Is it because of gamey reasons?
 

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Okay, but still. Why exactly can't the Byzantine Empire say "We're all that's left of the Roman Empire, we can conquer all these places."? Is it because of gamey reasons?
Because it totally destroyed the balance of the game that existed before LoR was out. It was designed to be a small DLC to improve the internal mechanics of the Byzantine Empire and let a good player form Rome, thereby giving a few bonuses and letting you mend the Great Schism. By giving the Imperial Reconquest CB to the Byzantines straight off the bat, there was no real gameplay reason to form Rome (just a new ruler title) and it also meant the AI would frequently conquer Italy, the Middle East, chunks of southern France and -- in theory, though admittedly I hadn't seen it in my handful of 1.07 games -- England, which is about as absurd a game concept as I can imagine. There is simply no genuinely conceivable reason for the Byzantines to have a blank check CB against England or France from the 11th century onwards.

What we have now is a system whereby forming the Roman Empire gives you a solid, genuine bonus in the form of the Imperial Reconquest CB, and the Byzantine AI now behaves much more realistically as its conquests (aside from via any claims it fabricates or inherits) are is now limited to its de jure borders.

It's also much harder, which is exactly how it should be, and presumably the reason why the same people who previously could re-conquer half the map as a restored Rome by 1150 or 1200 are now complaining.
 

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AI Byz frequently steamrolled through Croatia and Sicily, effectively making those countries unplayable. It blobs just fine in any event, just a bit slower (unless the Fatamids get to it of course).
 

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Because it totally destroyed the balance of the game that existed before LoR was out. It was designed to be a small DLC to improve the internal mechanics of the Byzantine Empire and let a good player form Rome, thereby giving a few bonuses and letting you mend the Great Schism. By giving the Imperial Reconquest CB to the Byzantines straight off the bat, there was no real gameplay reason to form Rome (just a new ruler title) and it also meant the AI would frequently conquer Italy, the Middle East, chunks of southern France and -- in theory, though admittedly I hadn't seen it in my handful of 1.07 games -- England, which is about as absurd a game concept as I can imagine. There is simply no genuinely conceivable reason for the Byzantines to have a blank check CB against England or France from the 11th century onwards.

What we have now is a system whereby forming the Roman Empire gives you a solid, genuine bonus in the form of the Imperial Reconquest CB, and the Byzantine AI now behaves much more realistically as its conquests (aside from via any claims it fabricates or inherits) are is now limited to its de jure borders.

It's also much harder, which is exactly how it should be, and presumably the reason why the same people who previously could re-conquer half the map as a restored Rome by 1150 or 1200 are now complaining.
I know you're right, it just bothers me a lot. If you think about it, all Catholics can quite easily conquer all of Africa through Crusades, whereas the Byzantines cannot do anything of the sort and have to treat Muslim and Pagan rulers as if they had their religion.
 

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I know you're right, it just bothers me a lot. If you think about it, all Catholics can quite easily conquer all of Africa through Crusades, whereas the Byzantines cannot do anything of the sort and have to treat Muslim and Pagan rulers as if they had their religion.

The problem then isn't the lack of the Imperial Reconquest CB, but rather the inability to request Invasions.
 

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I know you're right, it just bothers me a lot. If you think about it, all Catholics can quite easily conquer all of Africa through Crusades, whereas the Byzantines cannot do anything of the sort and have to treat Muslim and Pagan rulers as if they had their religion.

Crusades are 1 in 20 years, you don't choose the destination, and you don't choose the timing. Most of Europe in Africa is holy war. Byz can holy war just fine (call it 'defense of orthodoxy & the roman state' in your head if it bothers you that much).