Anything for Spain ? Catalans revolting , Portugal using the opportunity and occupieing som Spanish lands , Anarchist use the opportunity and try to coup Spain ..... Something like that
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I'll make those things later, I don't want everything to happen in so short time.
I'll update the map of the update, I completely forgot the Soviets there.
E: Also... I'm still not content with the name. NSSP does sound like a political party. A two-letter abbreviation would be ideal.
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i think independent belarus is unrealistic. in that time belarussian people didn't really have much national identity. i guess it would be more reasonable to give that land to lithuania.
poland will in any case desperately wan't to get sea access. war with germany would be suicide so the only way is to get lithuanian ports. i think it could go both ways - ultranationalist governements in both poland and lithuania would lead to war and subsequent oppression. but they managed to have some moderate politicians making a commonwealth would not be out of the question. at this point poles and lithuanians didn't have so much reasons to hate each others as in OTL.
aggresive poland will also most probably try to grab as much as it can in the ukraine. although it all comes to the type of government poland will have.
the caucasian republic cooperating with the ottomans is just simply impossible. they would more likely get supplies from russians themselves.
i'm not also sure why are fascists allied with anarchists in italy. either fascists will somehow devolve into syndicalists, or the unstable alliance will fight itself after dealing with socialists(if they manage to win of course).
what happens in the asian part of russia? anyone making easy land grabs? japan? china? mongolia? independent siberia?
poland will in any case desperately wan't to get sea access. war with germany would be suicide so the only way is to get lithuanian ports. i think it could go both ways - ultranationalist governements in both poland and lithuania would lead to war and subsequent oppression. but they managed to have some moderate politicians making a commonwealth would not be out of the question. at this point poles and lithuanians didn't have so much reasons to hate each others as in OTL.
aggresive poland will also most probably try to grab as much as it can in the ukraine. although it all comes to the type of government poland will have.
the caucasian republic cooperating with the ottomans is just simply impossible. they would more likely get supplies from russians themselves.
i'm not also sure why are fascists allied with anarchists in italy. either fascists will somehow devolve into syndicalists, or the unstable alliance will fight itself after dealing with socialists(if they manage to win of course).
what happens in the asian part of russia? anyone making easy land grabs? japan? china? mongolia? independent siberia?
Updated the timeline in the first post.
What would you people think of Ad Victoriam as the name? With AV as abbreviation?
E: @gooy: I see your point.
I need to think the Asian parts too. I'm not too good on the nationalities/history of that region, so I'll focus on Europe and when the timeline is done, we can add as much stuff elsewhere as we want. I think I'll try to make Japan invade Russia to get Vladivostok and the surroundings as well as other parts.
I was also thinking that Poland would be a democracy as in OTL.
Also, anarchists and fascists are united in Italy because neither could stand on its own (as Mussolini and the other leadership is out), so they are with each other. They will later turn to each other.
What would you people think of Ad Victoriam as the name? With AV as abbreviation?
E: @gooy: I see your point.
I need to think the Asian parts too. I'm not too good on the nationalities/history of that region, so I'll focus on Europe and when the timeline is done, we can add as much stuff elsewhere as we want. I think I'll try to make Japan invade Russia to get Vladivostok and the surroundings as well as other parts.
I was also thinking that Poland would be a democracy as in OTL.
Also, anarchists and fascists are united in Italy because neither could stand on its own (as Mussolini and the other leadership is out), so they are with each other. They will later turn to each other.
democratic poland may want to:
a) try to recreate the old commonwealth and put it all under polish rule (which will most likely lead to another war or at least very bad relations with surviving neighbors). this is more or less what happened in OTL
b) try to recreate the commonwealth as a federation of independent states (that could be an alliance in game terms). in this case there still would be problems with exact borders, as the ethnicities were mixed (but it can be solved by good enough federation laws)
sitting on their asses doing nothing is improbable.
as for b) all the federation countries would have to have similar types of governments. conservative democracies would most likely want to change makhno ukraine into something else. but i guess makhno surviving until 1936 is an important point of this mod
a) try to recreate the old commonwealth and put it all under polish rule (which will most likely lead to another war or at least very bad relations with surviving neighbors). this is more or less what happened in OTL
b) try to recreate the commonwealth as a federation of independent states (that could be an alliance in game terms). in this case there still would be problems with exact borders, as the ethnicities were mixed (but it can be solved by good enough federation laws)
sitting on their asses doing nothing is improbable.
as for b) all the federation countries would have to have similar types of governments. conservative democracies would most likely want to change makhno ukraine into something else. but i guess makhno surviving until 1936 is an important point of this mod
democratic poland may want to:
a) try to recreate the old commonwealth and put it all under polish rule (which will most likely lead to another war or at least very bad relations with surviving neighbors). this is more or less what happened in OTL
b) try to recreate the commonwealth as a federation of independent states (that could be an alliance in game terms). in this case there still would be problems with exact borders, as the ethnicities were mixed (but it can be solved by good enough federation laws)
sitting on their asses doing nothing is improbable.
as for b) all the federation countries would have to have similar types of governments. conservative democracies would most likely want to change makhno ukraine into something else. but i guess makhno surviving until 1936 is an important point of this mod
But considering that Russia is stronger (it had more time to rebuild its industry and military), Poland might "panic" and realize that they need to do something quickly, and simply can't rely on "if Lithuania agrees".
What a situation in the ICW: the two sides are almost equally strong, and even if the anarcho-fascist have a little advantage in population and a bigger one in industry that is probably counterweight by a bigger army of the socialists. The funny thing is that they control the areas which support the other faction, as craftsmen in the north would prefer the socialists while farmers in the south would be for the fascists (I'm not sure about the anarchists, though). If peace is reached, the two states would likely face serious problems...
I quote gooy about Belarus, for what I know Belarussians didn't have a stronger national identity, but instead were more divided between Lithuanians and Russians. Maybe Belarus should be split between Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, Bolsheviks and Russia, what do you think?
I quote gooy about Belarus, for what I know Belarussians didn't have a stronger national identity, but instead were more divided between Lithuanians and Russians. Maybe Belarus should be split between Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, Bolsheviks and Russia, what do you think?
Well, it's not too late to change the outcome of the war to a socialist Italy in the north and a anarcho-fascist Italy in the south.
It would be great, I've never liked how Kaiserreich divided Italy, it was a really wierd setup.
Anyhow, in KR it was the treath of an Austro-German or French intervention to prevent the two factions to fight since the beginning, but in this timeline they would be both without allies, since fascism is only in Italy at the moment, and the other socialist/bolshevick countries are not in a position to help... Like in the RCW a peace is really unlikely, so we would probably see a fight till the end. But if it doesn't fit the timeline, I really prefer the peace you suggest to the KR one.
Anyhow, in KR it was the treath of an Austro-German or French intervention to prevent the two factions to fight since the beginning, but in this timeline they would be both without allies, since fascism is only in Italy at the moment, and the other socialist/bolshevick countries are not in a position to help... Like in the RCW a peace is really unlikely, so we would probably see a fight till the end. But if it doesn't fit the timeline, I really prefer the peace you suggest to the KR one.
belarussians were the slavic (ruthenian) population of the grand duchy of lithuania, therefore i think that most of the area of belarus should go to lithuania. of course some border provinces could be given to russia/ukraine/poland.
how strong is russia internally right now? it can have a bigger army and stronger industry than in 1918 OTL, but it can still be divided internally. is st.petersburg still the capital before it gets into the hands of bolsheviks? what happens with the czar family?
how strong is russia internally right now? it can have a bigger army and stronger industry than in 1918 OTL, but it can still be divided internally. is st.petersburg still the capital before it gets into the hands of bolsheviks? what happens with the czar family?
Capital was moved to Moscow after St. Petersburg was taken by the Soviets. Czar is still leading Russia, and the Allies are supporting him so that all the efforts for the eastern border of Germany aren't gone to waste.
Internal situation, after all these revolts (+the central asian revolts) is relatively okay. The civil war will become a long, endless struggle until all the parties (=bolsheviks, czarists and anarchists) realize the situation and make a ceasefire, to rebuild their troops (for a "rematch").
RoT in hell!
IRL Japan went up to lake Baikal and helped the whites until the Reds came too close. They had plans to annex Amur Oblast, Jewish Autonomous Oblast, Sakhalin Oblast and Khabarovsk Krai. I guess the plan could still apply, and perhaps be made reality in this even more chaotic civil war.
On the balance, I would say that the unpleasantness is at a minimum heavily reduced from that of OTL.
I don't know... at least part of the federation would be quite happy with Ottoman/Turkish support, and another part would seem liable to be willing to accept aid if the price is that which was indicated. Of course, that kind of deep foreign policy-disagreements (one part hates the guts of a neighbouring state, another is quite happy with them, a third has no true opinion) doesn't exactly indicate a happy future for the federation...
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Also, one thing I'm planning:
There were protests about British presence in Shanghai in OTL. What I'm planning is that Britain still hasn't passed away the colonies it took from Germany, and this causes protests there. After several months of continuos unrest, Britain has to give up the colonies. Shortly afterwards, they recognize the fact that Ireland is no longer a part of the United Kingdom. This causes a wind of discontent in the British colonies, which slowly but firmly start protesting, then revolting, then breaking away.
Should the British get a new, cool government? We have enough anarchists, maybe integralists? Bolsheviks aren't too popular yet either, and we have the UoB in KR.
There were protests about British presence in Shanghai in OTL. What I'm planning is that Britain still hasn't passed away the colonies it took from Germany, and this causes protests there. After several months of continuos unrest, Britain has to give up the colonies. Shortly afterwards, they recognize the fact that Ireland is no longer a part of the United Kingdom. This causes a wind of discontent in the British colonies, which slowly but firmly start protesting, then revolting, then breaking away.
Should the British get a new, cool government? We have enough anarchists, maybe integralists? Bolsheviks aren't too popular yet either, and we have the UoB in KR.
what will happen in Palestina?
Ukraine is really big. What is the difference between those two countries in the Caucasus and above?
in the timeline you say: 1931 Wall street crash, 1932 anarchist coup. where? in the US? Not in the US maybe in the CSA, but not in the USA.
Who is now actually in power in Germany?
Ukraine is really big. What is the difference between those two countries in the Caucasus and above?
in the timeline you say: 1931 Wall street crash, 1932 anarchist coup. where? in the US? Not in the US maybe in the CSA, but not in the USA.
Who is now actually in power in Germany?
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NO! NO! NO! (sorry)
It would be so cool with a war between France (integralists) and England (something else)!
It would be so cool with a war between France (integralists) and England (something else)!
It will be taken by Syria.
Ukraine is very big. That's why I proposed that it gives Bessarabia to Romania and I also asked for anyone to fix border problems.
The two nations in the Caucasus are... well, two nations. Your question is pretty much like "what's the difference between norway and sweden". Nothing really, they will eventually ally with each other to fight their common enemy. Mountainous republic has some cossacks. (=awesome)
Approximate years. 1930-1932 wall street crash, followed by an anarchist coup later, but before 1936. Why anarchists? Because they are popular after the war, and they have been the most aggressive against the government (with mail bombs and protests). And yes, this happens in the US. There is no CSA.
Hindenburg as president and Marx as Chancellor, as in OTL.
Indeed it would. Let's think of something that allows us that. Just a regular democratic England, threatened by the integralist France?
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