Imperial Europe 3

[Tonioz]

will we have any tweaks (like gaelic culture for England and baltic one for Sweden) ? or something like 2-3 free sliders move before the beginning ?

 

[unmerged(3158)]

Or more importantly will Turrene's start date be moved up to what everyone agree's he start's at? his start date is still at 1650.

 

[unmerged(11323)]

are we adding leaders to spain and ottos to fill in thier leaderless centuries?

 

[unmerged(11034)]

ok preffered countries for me are :

1. netherlands
2. russia
3. portugal
4. spain

its seems i cannot release netherlands as a vassal in 1492 can someone send me the scenario as is played ?
so i can look at how netherlands look like

gj.vanpopering@hccnet.nl/105027854

 

[unmerged(7276)]

Id like russia btw.

 

[admiral drake]

will we have any tweaks (like gaelic culture for England and baltic one for Sweden) ? or something like 2-3 free sliders move before the beginning ?

if we use the rules of ie2 then you should be able to get those cultures ingame anyway tho

 

[admiral drake]

Drake,

You feel the same way about your tax values and manpower?

...

yep

 

[admiral drake]

Why do we want a China? If we have one, it'll mean either portugal, the netherlands, venice or brandenburg won't be played, all of which are more important than China.

we got 14players normally so we should make it , besides i wouldn't play those 4 eitherway

 

[unmerged(7276)]

no game today right?

 

[admiral drake]

Then let the player's decide, if a player seriously has reservation's about playing Spain, then he should make it apparent, then we can decide who can switch to Spain. But otherwise, give everyone a decent break and let them decide for themselves if they can play a major.

Consider this, way back over a year ago, before the beta patches ever came out. Probably 1.05 time. No one ever wanted to play Spain in my play group. Everyone said Spain was too much of a pain to deal with. Especially with inflation and gold inflation hurting Spain so much. So to keep games going, every game we played, I played Spain. Back then in 1.05 I learnt to love playing Spain. Why? Cause Spain was all about loving inflation and embracing it.

My usual tactic before they changed how inflation worked, was to quickly annex the pagans in Mexico and in South America. Income would usually come in at 140, with massive inflation coming in during this point. I didn't care, I put my mint a 50% and left it there all game long. By around the 1550's I would hit infra 5, and in a couple of year's, I would paper enough of my colonies to get my inflation down to 10. But I would keep my mint at 50% and keep minting huge amounts of cash. By then, my income would be hitting 400 and I would build dozen's of manufactories with the cash I got, constantly bringing my inflation back down to 10, and wait for a deflation to remove it if I got lucky. By the time Spain got their first of their 2 bankruptcy event's, i didn't care, 3 lost manufactories? I would have over 20 by this time. I would simply rebuild any lost manufactories and continue on and build forts and huge armies. Spain was literally unstoppable when it got going.

Back then, very few people loved playing Spain, more player's now play Spain now, but it was very rare to see a player say he loved playing Spain. But you know what? I was originally a Spain basher back then, until I was forced to play them every game. I didn't like dealing with massive inflation, until Spain turned that notion around. I was given a chance to try a nation that I totally was not used too, and in the end I loved playing that Nation. And as you can see I still retain the Spanish Flag beside my name.

I think if you decide to categorize who is a strong player and who is a weak player, you are doing that player a grave injustice. Give them a chance to prove you wrong, and more importantly, let them have a voice. If they are unsure about playing Spain, then by all mean's talk with us and we can find someone who will play them. But I would like to avoid situation's where we have to have only a few player's take that role and not be willing to trust that our playerbase can handle the role they choose.

Duma

spain got few and no good leaders after 1650 or something wich sucks , combined with few good events and it makes spain boring eventuallyy (atleast from my point of view)

 

[HolisticGod]

John,

Not so... Minors are minors; majors are majors. Wherever they happen to be on the globe. China is perfectly viable under a capable hand, with fourteen players.

Duma,

Which is why I said let's select this way and then reshuffle as necessary... My point, and Ryo's I presume, is that we should be prepared. If Anton is France, Beli is the OE and you're Sweden, life as we know it will cease to exist.

And also, why haven't you picked yet?

Cheech,

According to Tem, we start next week.

 

[admiral drake]

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[HolisticGod]

Drake,

Tem told me the other day we're starting next week...

If it's today, half the players will be gone and I'll have to skip out on about two hours of the session.

 

[Tem_Probe]

Updated Player Nation:

Austria
Brandenburg
Denmark - King John
England
France - Duma
Genoa
Netherlands - Gulliver
Ottomans - Belisarius
Persia
Poland
Portugal
Russia - Cheech
Spain - Temujin
Sweden
Venice - Tonioz

1 - Drake
2 - Devil
3 - Ryoken
4 - String
5 - Specterx
6 - HolisticGod

 

[HolisticGod]

All,

Updated list based on current assignments:

1. Mughals (if playable)
2. Sweden
3. England
4. Brandenburg
5. Poland
6. Austria
7. Spain
8. Portugal

 

[HolisticGod]

Tem,

Oh, and more shit for you to deal with , you need to tweak a couple things because we're using Ryo's scenario:

1. ToT-there is none
2. African minors are gone and replaced with 20,000 aggressive natives in all interior provinces, so I think that'll suffice in place of a rule
3. The best thing about the scenario is the deficit of explorers/conquistadors-including Spain and Portugal's. But if you want to permit the purchase anyway, which is fine by me, those two countries should probably have the same right every, say, forty years

 

[devil]

OK I will take

1. England
2. Portugal
3. Sweden

 

[HolisticGod]

Thwarted again.

Mughals (if playable)
Brandenburg
Poland
England
Austria
Spain
Portugal

 

[unmerged(11216)]

Oh so you dont start this Sunday either?

 

[Specterx]

Start is sunday the 16th right?