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Ok, results of the vote:
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1243
1st set -13 points (4 for 1st, place, 3 for second, etc)
2nd set - 12 points
3rd set - 10 points
4th set - 5 points
Clearly, 1st and 2nd are the winners. I was going to offer Amric a chance to re-vote, if Venice was replaced in 2nd set with Genoa, but I don't think it matters much anyway.
So, the countries are:
Navarra (Catalunya if possible - and I'd make it a bit bigger too) for Anibal.
Genoa for Amric
Bohemia for me
Brittany (or choose or your own) for LordLeto. You can still go for Wallachia, but it won't be fair - you're too far away from rich Western European provinces. Again, it is your choice.
Btw, if anyone thinks Bohemia is too big, I'd take Saxony.
Amric, I like your house rules. I vote 'yes' for all but one. Early expansion should be monitored and discussed, but the should be some rules allowing you to annex a country if your survival depends on it.
2134
3214
1324
1243
1st set -13 points (4 for 1st, place, 3 for second, etc)
2nd set - 12 points
3rd set - 10 points
4th set - 5 points
Clearly, 1st and 2nd are the winners. I was going to offer Amric a chance to re-vote, if Venice was replaced in 2nd set with Genoa, but I don't think it matters much anyway.
So, the countries are:
Navarra (Catalunya if possible - and I'd make it a bit bigger too) for Anibal.
Genoa for Amric
Bohemia for me
Brittany (or choose or your own) for LordLeto. You can still go for Wallachia, but it won't be fair - you're too far away from rich Western European provinces. Again, it is your choice.
Btw, if anyone thinks Bohemia is too big, I'd take Saxony.
Amric, I like your house rules. I vote 'yes' for all but one. Early expansion should be monitored and discussed, but the should be some rules allowing you to annex a country if your survival depends on it.
I have no problem with Bohemia, especially since Genoa starts with 4 provinces. Although I am planning to ignore kaffa and kerch since I don't care about them and they are not in my plans....
Catalunya is where I have some problems...Editing that is....I tried EEP by myself and found the bink video problem rampant. I took care of it with the regular EU2 1.07
Now should we patch up to 11 may beta, or 19 july beta. Or should we leave it alone with the regular 1.07?
I also have no problem with annexing a nation for your survival.
Wallachia is awful far from the rest of the group to help support you if you would need it. MA would get Genoa and Bohemia and Catalunya(Navarra) together Although I'm not sure how it would always work....
Okay, here are my early goals as Genoa, if anyone has issues, let me know.
No further west than Provence, Dauphine, Italy except for Rome and probably Venice(too many islands and other areas I don't want to deal with.), probably no further north than Helvetia and Tirol. That is pretty much it for my European ambitions. Nothing big or fancy.
Nalivayko- You didn't mention which game name you liked, or if you had a different one to propose.
So here it is again, for everyone.
1. The Four Kings
2. The Liquor Club
3. The Late Night Snackers
So what do you all think? Any other ideas?
BTW, you all ought to write down each other's email as well.
Catalunya is where I have some problems...Editing that is....I tried EEP by myself and found the bink video problem rampant. I took care of it with the regular EU2 1.07
Now should we patch up to 11 may beta, or 19 july beta. Or should we leave it alone with the regular 1.07?
I also have no problem with annexing a nation for your survival.
Wallachia is awful far from the rest of the group to help support you if you would need it. MA would get Genoa and Bohemia and Catalunya(Navarra) together Although I'm not sure how it would always work....
Okay, here are my early goals as Genoa, if anyone has issues, let me know.
No further west than Provence, Dauphine, Italy except for Rome and probably Venice(too many islands and other areas I don't want to deal with.), probably no further north than Helvetia and Tirol. That is pretty much it for my European ambitions. Nothing big or fancy.
Nalivayko- You didn't mention which game name you liked, or if you had a different one to propose.
So here it is again, for everyone.
1. The Four Kings
2. The Liquor Club
3. The Late Night Snackers
So what do you all think? Any other ideas?
BTW, you all ought to write down each other's email as well.
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I like the Late Liquor Club myself, which would be a combination of 2 and 3. My "modest" goals would be to destroy Austria before it inherits Burgundy and expand "modestly" in HRE. I have no problem with Genoa getting Tyrol as long as I get Styria.
Western border will have to be discussed with LordLeto if he gets Brittany. Eastern border - I plan to leave Poland alone, but might have something to say if they expand in HRE.
Western border will have to be discussed with LordLeto if he gets Brittany. Eastern border - I plan to leave Poland alone, but might have something to say if they expand in HRE.
Nalivayko- Styria is yours, my friend. I have no interest in it.
Sounds like you have modest goals as I do. Planning on doing much colonizing?
Sounds like you have modest goals as I do. Planning on doing much colonizing?
Hmmm, Brittany. No I dont like treading ground I have once before. Played a fairly succesful Brittany game before. I think I'll stick with Wallachia and just dominate the Eastern Med.
Game Plan:
Join the Player Alliance, once Nav decides to take out Austria, most likly draging Hungary into the war, Ill try to snag a few Hungarian provinces, with the goal of a land connection with Bohemia(thru a vasselized Austria if you go that way.) Then after the Turks smack around the Romans taking Morea attack the Turks. Take Rumlia and Doborja, and Bulgaria as a new Vassel. This will put me in position to either diplo-annex for force annex Byz. After that smacking around the turks for a few more provinces, then perhaps Venice eliminating those Islands for Armic.
Game Plan:
Join the Player Alliance, once Nav decides to take out Austria, most likly draging Hungary into the war, Ill try to snag a few Hungarian provinces, with the goal of a land connection with Bohemia(thru a vasselized Austria if you go that way.) Then after the Turks smack around the Romans taking Morea attack the Turks. Take Rumlia and Doborja, and Bulgaria as a new Vassel. This will put me in position to either diplo-annex for force annex Byz. After that smacking around the turks for a few more provinces, then perhaps Venice eliminating those Islands for Armic.
LordLeto: I like it...take the islands and the other Venetian provinces...then I could take Venice alone and complete my Italian conquest....BTW, what is you email address, LL?
I like the Late Liquor Club....I vote for that too...LL, Anibal? Any problems with that idea?
Hm, so Anibal is Pinga, Nalivayko is Gropilka?, I am Bacardi 151, so what would LordLeto be?....
I like the Late Liquor Club....I vote for that too...LL, Anibal? Any problems with that idea?
Hm, so Anibal is Pinga, Nalivayko is Gropilka?, I am Bacardi 151, so what would LordLeto be?....
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I nominated your AAR, now you'd better win
I'm so sorry I'm stuck with this modem, but I hope that when I recharge my batteries I could join this fine MP team with my cable connection....
I'm so sorry I'm stuck with this modem, but I hope that when I recharge my batteries I could join this fine MP team with my cable connection....
The Liqour Club! And I am Pinga!
Catalunya already has Catalonia and Gerona as cores. Two starting provinces is already big enough, don't you think?
My goals... they also apply to an iberian-cultured NavAARa.
My main goal is to replace the Aragonese rule in Spain and in Italy. And, for a second but most special goal, to liberate and protect the Kingdom of Jerusalem from whoever owns it. And maybe weaken (but keep them alive and colonizating) Castille/Spain and France.
Let's forget the idea of using EEP. But, WE SHALL USE BETA! The clean 1.07 is a bad choice when you have wonderfull betas to use. I vote for the 11th May, for I haven't tested the last one yet. But things may change...
Catalunya already has Catalonia and Gerona as cores. Two starting provinces is already big enough, don't you think?
My goals... they also apply to an iberian-cultured NavAARa.
My main goal is to replace the Aragonese rule in Spain and in Italy. And, for a second but most special goal, to liberate and protect the Kingdom of Jerusalem from whoever owns it. And maybe weaken (but keep them alive and colonizating) Castille/Spain and France.
Let's forget the idea of using EEP. But, WE SHALL USE BETA! The clean 1.07 is a bad choice when you have wonderfull betas to use. I vote for the 11th May, for I haven't tested the last one yet. But things may change...
LLC seems like a good idea. Just a suggestion, perhpa Late NIGHT Liqour Club. Thats been bugging me.....
Captin Morgan! Arrrrrrrr.
LordLeto@cybertown.com
Captin Morgan! Arrrrrrrr.
LordLeto@cybertown.com
Screens:
Central America
Eastern Africa
Middle East
North America
NorthWest Africa
South East Asia
Ukraine
My special thanks for Ukraine's picture and Ukraine in general
Central America
Eastern Africa
Middle East
North America
NorthWest Africa
South East Asia
Ukraine
My special thanks for Ukraine's picture and Ukraine in general
Betas: I am undecided, so it is up to Amric now
Late Night Liquor Club. I like that. Amric, Gorilka is the name, although I am Bacardi "O" now. I'd go for Stolichnaya if necessary.
Catalonia. Amric, if you can't do it, I can provide a scenario with Catalonia free.
LordLeto expansion plans: all fine with me, we'll just have to establish a border somewhere in the northwest Hungary. And about Austria - it has to go, sorry In the mid-game I get Austrian monarchs as mine and I don't want to have any confusion about it. So, Habsburgs will survive as dynasty, but not as a country.
Amric, no colonization plans yet and I doubt I'll even try. Too much hussle.
Difficulty: I don't think we discussed that yet. Do we put computer aggressivness on normal or easy? how hard should it be: normal?
I've heard a rule of thumb for multiplayer is to make a relatively easy AI. Is it true?
Late Night Liquor Club. I like that. Amric, Gorilka is the name, although I am Bacardi "O" now. I'd go for Stolichnaya if necessary.
Catalonia. Amric, if you can't do it, I can provide a scenario with Catalonia free.
LordLeto expansion plans: all fine with me, we'll just have to establish a border somewhere in the northwest Hungary. And about Austria - it has to go, sorry
In the mid-game I get Austrian monarchs as mine and I don't want to have any confusion about it. So, Habsburgs will survive as dynasty, but not as a country.Amric, no colonization plans yet and I doubt I'll even try. Too much hussle.
Difficulty: I don't think we discussed that yet. Do we put computer aggressivness on normal or easy? how hard should it be: normal?
I've heard a rule of thumb for multiplayer is to make a relatively easy AI. Is it true?
I vote for the 11th may beta! Well, any other beta after that is appliable.
Difficulty? I vote for normal/furious. The AI will always be at war, which makes it easier for us.
As I have told, if no Catalunya, I get an iberian-cultured NavAARra! Naples is another choice. But my goals are the same that I stated before.
Difficulty? I vote for normal/furious. The AI will always be at war, which makes it easier for us.
As I have told, if no Catalunya, I get an iberian-cultured NavAARra! Naples is another choice. But my goals are the same that I stated before.
Alexandru- Even with 56k modem you are welcome to join...You'll just be a tad slower than everyone else, I would think. From what I read 56k is viable with MP.
Okay, it seems the Late Night Liquor Club is nominated. As for agression levels...I think normal/normal might be the way to go...none of us has done MP, and from what I have seen it seems to be the norm for MP games...except for the really good players. I think we ought to be conservative in this, at least for now.
Nalivayko- Thanks for posting the screenies...they look great. Ukraine looks a pretty green in there among the blue, don't it? In your catalonia scenario starting in 1419?
Looks like 1 for betas, 1 against, Nalivayko is abstaining...I'm still thinking about it....Okay, why are you against, LordLeto? And why are you for, Anibal? I've heard that betas make the game better, but I don't know enough about 1.07 or the betas to make an informed decision.
Okay, LordLeto is Captain Morgan, Anibal is Pinga, Nalivayko is either Gorilka or Bacardi O, and I am Bacardi 151. Excellent.
I had another thought...I thought we might start the AAR with a "meeting" in Genoa, since it is the most centrally located to all the nations. I know, I know..it's my territory, but either Navarra or Catalonia is a long way from either Bohemia or Wallachia...and so on and so forth. Anyway, I am planning on all my kings being ignored for names...Amric "The Undying" Al'Aeshir is going to be my king. Varius the Blade will be my Uber General in my stories, and Lucius will be my Uber Admiral, so to speak. The last two will be replaced with sons of the same name, just for ease of continuity for me.
The "meeting" will be a chance for us to introduce our characters to the readers and start the story with the "idea" of splitting up Europe at the start, etc....what do you all think about this idea?
Plus we need to do a game check to see if it will even go...So I will have to give out my IP address in email to all of you and we need to set up a time to do a check to see if it will work before we play, so that any issues can be resolved before we play. Let me know if Saturday Night is okay with at least some of you for a spot check. Nations to play doesn't matter for this, just so we know it can work....we'll play for awhile just to see the way it works, etc....
Okay, it seems the Late Night Liquor Club is nominated. As for agression levels...I think normal/normal might be the way to go...none of us has done MP, and from what I have seen it seems to be the norm for MP games...except for the really good players. I think we ought to be conservative in this, at least for now.
Nalivayko- Thanks for posting the screenies...they look great. Ukraine looks a pretty green in there among the blue, don't it? In your catalonia scenario starting in 1419?
Looks like 1 for betas, 1 against, Nalivayko is abstaining...I'm still thinking about it....Okay, why are you against, LordLeto? And why are you for, Anibal? I've heard that betas make the game better, but I don't know enough about 1.07 or the betas to make an informed decision.
Okay, LordLeto is Captain Morgan, Anibal is Pinga, Nalivayko is either Gorilka or Bacardi O, and I am Bacardi 151. Excellent.
I had another thought...I thought we might start the AAR with a "meeting" in Genoa, since it is the most centrally located to all the nations. I know, I know..it's my territory, but either Navarra or Catalonia is a long way from either Bohemia or Wallachia...and so on and so forth. Anyway, I am planning on all my kings being ignored for names...Amric "The Undying" Al'Aeshir is going to be my king. Varius the Blade will be my Uber General in my stories, and Lucius will be my Uber Admiral, so to speak. The last two will be replaced with sons of the same name, just for ease of continuity for me.
The "meeting" will be a chance for us to introduce our characters to the readers and start the story with the "idea" of splitting up Europe at the start, etc....what do you all think about this idea?
Plus we need to do a game check to see if it will even go...So I will have to give out my IP address in email to all of you and we need to set up a time to do a check to see if it will work before we play, so that any issues can be resolved before we play. Let me know if Saturday Night is okay with at least some of you for a spot check. Nations to play doesn't matter for this, just so we know it can work....we'll play for awhile just to see the way it works, etc....
I vote for the betas because with them the game gets more playable, more feasible, less exploitable, more stable, with less errors and mistakes, and also more funny.
Thank you but I'm an European Player, you are all across the ocean, I'll wait till I get to my old connection...
Thanks for the offer, anyways...
Thanks for the offer, anyways...
Frankly, I just dont feel like DLing the damn things.
normal/normal
As for the meeting, Genoa sounds fine.
normal/normal
As for the meeting, Genoa sounds fine.
I have both beta and normal versions right now. I would reinstall the game for a multiplayer anyway. That's why no difference. Besides, Bohemia gets enough leaders for me to be happy.
Amric:
Beta - more leaders.
Normal - tested and proven.
You're welcome for screenies. Sorry it took so long. And yes, I just loved Ukraine screenshot
Normal, normal is good (after kicking AI's butt for so many years I think I can manage)
A test game on Saturday also sounds good, although I'd keep it down to 10 first years. If it plays, then we can have some time to pull off a first session.
Anibal, back to betas. Are you sure they are more stable? If yes, I'd vote for it... maybe.
Amric:
Beta - more leaders.
Normal - tested and proven.
You're welcome for screenies. Sorry it took so long. And yes, I just loved Ukraine screenshot
Normal, normal is good (after kicking AI's butt for so many years I think I can manage
)A test game on Saturday also sounds good, although I'd keep it down to 10 first years. If it plays, then we can have some time to pull off a first session.
Anibal, back to betas. Are you sure they are more stable? If yes, I'd vote for it... maybe.