Imperial and Royal Navy (Austro-Hungarian Navy)

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Hi all,

As a fan of this mod, I'd like to give my opinion about the Austro-Hungarian navy. It looks good, but I think it's not too accurate. No "Ersatz Monarch" class Battleships, and the techs are pretty low. After all, the Imperial and Royal Navy was a good one, although it had to spend most of the war in its ports.

I posted on the Kaiserreich forum, as Anthony von Hentzau, but I'll publish my ideas here too.


-4 Ersatz Monarch Battleships (Early War Battleship).
---SMS Franz Joseph
---SMS Don Juan D'Austria
---SMS Laudon
---SMS Hunyadi

Franz Joseph and Don Juan have Austrian names, while Laudon and Hunyadi are Hungarian. Dualism until the very end.

The Tegetthof class BB would be modernised and still operational.

-4 Tegetthof Battleships (Great War Battleships).
---SMS Viribus Unitis
---SMS Tegetthof
---SMS Prinz Eugen
---SMS Szent Istvan

As in the game appear "heavy battlecruisers" available for Austria-Hungary, I wondered if they could be inspired in the real life Italian "Zara" Battlecruisers


-4 Fiume Class Battlecruisers (Basic Heavy Battlecruiser)
---SMS Fiume
---SMS Pola
---SMS Cattaro
---SMS Dubrovnik (Coulb in China, in Tsingtao, as there was also one Austro Hungarian Battlecruiser there at the start of WWI).

Still working on light cruisers.

But there should be at least 2 flotillas of Early War Destroyers IMHO. And subs should be modernised. After all, they were the units that had the best performance in the Great War.

In number terms, I guess the K.u.K. Marine Staff would have tried to keep a fleet that could match the Mediterranean French Squadron and the Neapolitan fleet together (being numerically superior to the Italian Federation or the Greeks).

That's the beginning. Suggestions, will be welcome.

Based on:

http://www.avalanchepress.com/gameImperialNavy.php
http://www.avalanchepress.com/ships_of_the_empire.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Austro-Hungarian_Navy

PS: BTW, could you add Mj. General Julius "Papa" Ringel?

And Skorzeny wasn't Austrian?

 

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Thanks for posting this list. I was looking through all naval OoB's and noticed most of them where accurate or explainable (renamed, planned classes), besides the National French, Ottoman or the KuK Navy.

Just a few comments, the Viribus Unitis and Szent Istvan where sunk in WW1 before the point of departure in Italy (Italian collapse near Venice late 1818), and I doubt the Austrians would try to refloat and repair (if that was even possible) these ships with a new class in production.

Secondly, I'm not a fan of the current names of the four weak battleships the Austrians have, but would they really name one of their ships after a Spanish admiral (Johann von Österreich)? Wouldn't Radzetsky be a more conventional choice?

The Austrian navy is one of the strongest, if not the strongest, already. Both the Italies have two capital ships, while the Commune only has the ancient Courbets an the renamedBéarn. Even the German Mittelmeerflotte is smaller than the KuK navy. Ironically only the Ottomans can match the Austrians in quality and size of their fleet.

NB. Ringel was added in the last version, together with Rendulic, Von Hubici and Böhme AFAIK.

 

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Thanks for the feedback Flyingdutchie-

1) Although "Szent Istvan" was lost in action IRL, the "Viribus Unitis" was a post-war casualty. When the Austrian Navy surrendered, Italian frogmen sank it in order to prevent it from joining the Yugoslav navy. IMHO "Viribus Unitis", the battleship with Franz Joseph's motto, should stay.

2)Juan d'Austria was actually Bavarian (borned in Regensburg, Bavaria) and an Habsburg. Probably one of the first admirals of the House of Habsburg, and succesful in Lepanto. Although there should be something to bear in common, as the names don't bear the usual parity between Austrian (Franz Joseph, Laudon and Juan d'Austria) and Hungarian (Hunyadi) names. Probably Juan d'Austria could change its name and get an Hungarian one (Corvinus, maybe?).

3)I feel that the French Med Fleet (1 Early Carrier, 4 Early BB, 1 Early Heavy Cruiser, 3 Basic Light Cruisers, plus 3 early destroyers) is a force to be reckoned if joins the Neapolitan Navy (2 Early BB, 1 heavy cruiser and 4 light cruisers). I don't feel the French fleet that obsolete, compared to the Imperial and Royal Navy. And the Austrians don't even have a light carrier (an SMS "Drache"?).

 

[erica]

I have think of the modles of the CV AUS/ U24 / U25.

MODEL_AUS_26_0;Doppeladler-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_1;Königin Maria Theresa-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_2;Szent Istvan-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_3;Novara-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_4;Venetien-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_5;Böhmen-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_6;Kaiser Franz Josef I-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_7;Kaiser Karl I-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_8;Habsburg-class;
MODEL_AUS_26_9;Römische Kaiserzeit-class;

 

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A new Austrian OoB, quite similar to Roger de Flors proposal will be included in the next version.

 

[erica]

A new Austrian OoB, quite similar to Roger de Flors proposal will be included in the next version.

How about the CV?

 

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The new OoB will give the Austrians: six BB-1's, four CA-2's, four CL-2's and an assortment of older ships. No carriers for the emperor though.

 

[erica]

I mean the models.