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Democracy was only in some Greek states, not in all of them.
Also united is quiet questionable for Rome and Carthage too. If you call a patchwork of socii united...

But otherwise good one.
And calling Rome and Carthage democratic is quite a stretch.

I don’t see why you’re trying to argue Rome wasn’t united. Unlike the Greek civilisation, the Romans were represented by a single state and a central authority. Decentralised perhaps, but not divided.
 

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Rome had quite a few institutions wich would be considered democratic.

Of course in modern sense it would hardly fit the Idea of a democracy, but neither would ancient Athens.
 

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And calling Rome and Carthage democratic is quite a stretch.

Nah, they are democratic. Modern Democracies are just more advanced, but by that logic Roman Era's Dictatorships aren't true Dictatorships either.
 

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Nah, they are democratic. Modern Democracies are just more advanced, but by that logic Roman Era's Dictatorships aren't true Dictatorships either.
They're republican. Generally democracies are defined as something that gives all members of society a representation or means of influencing government. Classical republics mostly gave voting rights to a proportion of their population called citizens, which was a far larger number than oligarchies or dictatorships did mind you.
 

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Rome had democratic elements, but was definitely not a democracy.

By todays standards, no, but by the standards of the time, DEFINITELY