Imperator - Development Diary - 18th of March 2019

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Trin Tragula

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Hello and welcome to this weeks development diary for Imperator: Rome!

Today's diary will cover a variety of things, from some changes done to Mercenaries, Forts, Tribes and Tribal Retinues, to the Achievements and Formable countries the game will ship with.

Zones of Control
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As described in earlier diaries Imperator will have a fort and Zone of Control system that is familiar to anyone who has played EU4. In short a fort will exert a Zone of Control over all surrounding cities and obstruct movement for enemy troops.
The expansive map of Imperator means that it can at times be a bit of work to take control of cities as you advance into enemy territory. This is especially a problem when the local military victory is already won, the enemy troops expelled, and local fortifications are under your control.
To facilitate the takeover when you have already, de facto, won we have made forts able to automatically start taking control over adjacent cities, even in enemy territory.
This means that once a fort has fallen you can save your armies the work of controlling cities in the fort's Zone of Control. Fort control also works across national borders, meaning border forts will automatically start taking control over any adjacent enemy cities that are not protected by enemy forts or troops.
In addition to all of the above you are now required to control all forts in a province, as well as the province capital, before you can demand that province in a peace negotiation.

While we feel Mercenaries fill an important role in the game it has over time become more and more apparent that it can be a problem that you could Mercenary "Bomb" people by suddenly hiring a lot of troops already close to-, or even right on top of, an ongoing battle or siege.
Newly hired mercenary troops now start at 0 morale and will slowly build up to full morale. This also makes it more important to be able to afford their maintenance for a longer period when you hire them, and not just the immediate power cost.

Tribal Retinues
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As described in an earlier diary, the retinues of Tribal Clan Leaders are armies that can be vital to success as an expanding tribe, but their size is dependent on the Clan Leader rather than on you. It could therefore be problematic to have to pay for these armies despite having little control over their recruitment.
Tribal Retinues will now be paid for entirely by the Clan Leader and will not cost the Tribe anything at all to maintain. In return for these free to maintain and reinforce troops (even if loyal to people who may end up overthrowing the state) the tribes will now have to pay an additional 50% maintenance for all troops they recruit themselves, and the wage for each Clan Leader has gone up from 2% of the state income to 5% of the state income.
This should also complicate the choice of how many Clan Leaders you want in your tribe (something that you can steer through one of the Tribal laws).

Achievements and Formable Countries
As in our other games these can be become intermediate (or even final) goals for a campaign, or just something you pick up along the way.
Formable countries will generally include a few direct in game perks, while achievements are mostly relevant for those who like to show off their accomplishements (and require playing in Ironman mode).

Achievements
There will be 50 achievements in total, and they will be distributed widely in terms of geographic focus and difficulty. Hopefully there is something here for everyone :)

Very Easy:
ach_cincinnatus.png Cincinnatus: Appoint a dictator as a Republic and have him step down
ach_research_x_inventions.png Do not disturb my circles: Research 40 Inventions
ach_tribal_concord.png Tribal Concord: Change a law in a Tribal country.
ach_render_to_caesar.png Render to Caesar: Take any land in a war.
ach_a_new_home.png A new Home: As any Tribe Migrate to an empty city.
ach_alea_iacta_est.png Alea Iacta Est - Have a Dictator holding on to power.
ach_soldier_of_fortune.png Soldier of Fortune: As a Monarchy send a pretender away to be a mercenary.
ach_panem_et_circenses.png Panem et Circenses - Participate in 10 Olympic Games.
ach_international_relations.png International Relations - Befriend two other rulers.
ach_strategic_reserve.png Strategic Reserve - Import or produce all types of Strategic Trade Goods in your capital.

Easy:
ach_triumvir.png Triumvir: Survive a Civil War.
ach_legacy_of_aristotel.png Legacy of Aristotle - All 4 Researchers have a skill of 11 in each respective skill (Martial, Finesse, Charisma and Zeal).
ach_envy_of_the_world.png Envy of the world - Own a city with at least 100 civilization value.
ach_tribal_assembly.png Tribal Assembly: Become a Republic as a Tribe
ach_hispania_universalis.png Hispania Universalis: Form Greater Iberia.
ach_romans_ever_done.png What have the Romans ever Done for us? As Rome own all of Palestine. Have at least 70 civilization in all cities in the Judea area.
ach_punic_ascendance.png Punic Ascendance: Conquer Hispania as Carthage.
ach_times_new_roman.png Times New Roman - Own Cariala, Italica and the province of Helvetia as Rome
ach_antipaters_dream.png Antipater’s Dream - As Macedonia conquer the regions of Greece and Epirus.
ach_the_besieger.png The Besieger - As Phrygia sack Babylon, Alexandria, Lysimachea and Pella.

Medium:
ach_over_9000.png Over 9000: Have at least 9000 pops.
ach_the_romans_are_crazy.png The Romans are Crazy: Form Gaul.
ach_carthago_delenda_est.png Carthago Delenda Est: Conquer Carthage and sack it.
ach_new_kingdom.png New Kingdom: Form Egypt, have Egyptian Succession and conquer Nubia and Syria
ach_city_of_the_worlds_desire.png City of the World’s Desire: Have 15 Trade Routes in Byzantium (theoretical max currently in a capital).
ach_pyrrhic_victory.png Pyrrhic Victory: Take Rome as Epirus
ach_perfidious_albion.png Perfidious Albion - Unite Albion (decision) in 50 years.
ach_imperial_ambition.png Imperial Ambition: Adopt the Imperium Government type.
ach_bois_are_back_in_town.png Bois are Back in town: Conquer Boihaemum region as the Boii.
ach_pan_hellenic_league.png Pan-Hellenic League: Unite Greece as a Greek Republic.
ach_stonehenge.png Stonehenge: As a Megalithic country own 20 sources of stone and the city of Cunetio.
ach_soter.png Soter: As Ptolemaic Egypt own all wonders of the world through conquest or construction.
ach_to_the_end_of_the_world.png To the end of the world: Conquer the regions of Gandhara, Mahdyadesa, Pracya, Maru, and Avanti, as the Seleucid Empire or Bactria.
ach_three_fires.png Three Great Fires: Form Persia and own Ganzak, Nevshapur and Gur.
ach_holy_fire.png Holy Fire - Desecrate Holy Sites for 10 different Religions.

Hard:

ach_no_more_worlds .png No more worlds left to conquer: Reform Alexander’s Empire as a successor state.
ach_garum_nobile.png Garum Nobile: Produce a Surplus of 10 Fish in one city.
ach_true_vandal.png True Vandal : Start as Vandalia, migrate to Africa, conquer it all, and occupy Rome in a War.
ach_germania_magna.png Germania Magna: as a Germanic country own all of the regions of Germania, Germania Superior, Vistula, and Boiohaemum.
ach_man_who_would_be_king.png The Man who Would be King: As Bactria become independent and conquer the Regions of Ariana, Bactria and Gandhara.
ach_ashokass_pillars.png Ashoka’s Pillars: As Maurya conquer all of India, convert to Buddhism and have 80% Religious Unity.
ach_mare_nostrum.png Mare Nostrum: Conquer every city adjacent to the Mediterranean as Rome.
ach_megalopolis.png Megalopolis: As the country of Megalopolis have 80 pops in the city of Megalopolis.
ach_pax_aeterna.png Pax Aeterna: Conquer the world.
ach_molon_labe.png Molon Labe!: As Sparta conquer the city of Persepolis and sack it.

Very Hard:
ach_spice_must_flow.png Spice Must Flow: Control all Spice production as Mosylon.
ach_kingdom_of_david .png Kingdom of David: As a Jewish country unite Palestine, Syria and expand to the Nile, and the Tigris in the regions.
ach_reverse_alexander.png Reverse Alexander: As a non-Mauryan Hindu, Buddhist or Jain power conquer Pataliputra, Babylon, Memphis and Athens.
ach_heraclea_persica.png Heraclea Persica: Starting as Heraclea Pontica form the Achaemenid Empire
ach_tyrian_purple.png Tyrean Purple: Form Phoenicia and have a total of at least 500 ships and a surplus of 5 Dyes in Tyre.

Formable Nations

As in many games before it Imperator will feature a number of countries that an expanding state can "form". Allowing you to shift the identity of your people. Generally these will confer a number of smaller bonuses, as well as a new color and name (and in many cases a new flag). Some of these we have mentioned earlier, in regional development diaries, but this list will include all formable nations at game release.
While this is an overview of all formable countries it is not a complete go through in that it does not mention every effect or requirement for each formable country. If a country belongs to a certain tier then that country cannot be formed by other countries of the same tier or above.

Tier 1:
Small regional formables, often Tribal Federations.
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  1. Achaea: The Achaean League can be formed by expansive Republics in Achaea. Granting claims on the larger area.
  2. Arcadia: The Arcadian League can be formed by expansive Republics in Arcadia. Grants claims on the larger area.
  3. Cyprus: Can be formed by a small country in control of all of Cyprus.
  4. Aquitania: Tribal Federation for uniting the Aquitani countries.
  5. Aremorica: Tribal Federation for uniting the Aremorican tribes.
  6. Asturia: Tribal Federation for uniting the Asturian tribes.
  7. Carpetania: Tribal Federation for uniting the Carpetani tribes.
  8. Celtiberia: Tribal Federation for uniting the Celtiberi tribes.
  9. Gallaecia: Tribal Federation for uniting the Gallaecian tribes.
  10. Lusitiania: Tribal Federation for uniting the Lusitani tribes.
  11. Vettonia: Tribal Federation for uniting the Vettonian tribes.
Tier 2
Larger regional formables
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  1. Assyria: The Neo-Assyrian Empire may be long gone but Assyria has remained an important constituent region of the Median, Persian and Greek empires that came after it. A sufficiently successful local power can reclaim its legacy.
  2. Babylon: An even more recent empire, the Neo-Babylonian one, can also be restored by a successful local power willing to relocate to the Mesopotamian riverlands.
  3. Cilicia: As one of the richer Anatolian regions, often used as a staging ground for the armies of the successor states, Cilicia can also support its own regional kingdom.
  4. Crete: Should one Cretan state come to control all the important cities of the island it can assume a new pan-cretan identity.
  5. Dravida: An Indian state that conquers the important cities of the south can form a larger kingdom known as Dravida.
  6. Galatia: A Celtic country that finds itself in control of the right parts of central Anatolia can resettle there and assume a new "Galatian" identity.
  7. Helvetia: Larger Tribal Federation for uniting the Helveti tribes.
  8. Illyria: Should a local country unite the Illyrian region it can create a new pan-illyrian state.
  9. Media: A growing Median power (such as for instance Atropatene) can attempt to lay claim to the legacy of the old Median Empire.
  10. Numidia: Unifying the tribal states of North West Africa allows you to form the greater state of Numidia.
  11. Sicily: While the title "king of Sicily", was assumed by Agathocles of Syracuse at our start, the island was by no mean unified. Should any one power come to conquer all of it, it is possible lay the foundation of a greater Sicilian state.
  12. Syria: At our start Syria is completely owned by the Antigonid state of Phrygia,
  13. Yamnat: Unifying the countries of southern Arabia allows you to form the greater state of Yamnat.
  14. Saxonia: Tribal federation for the Germanic tribes of Saxonian culture.
  15. Suebia: Tribal federation for Suebian culture Germanic tribes.
  16. Belgia: Tribal Federation for the Belgae tribes.
  17. Pretania: Tribal Federation for the tribes of Pretania.
  18. Caledonian Confederacy: Tribal federation for the Caledonian tribes.
  19. Noricum: Tribal federation for the Noric tribes.
  20. Dahae: Tribal Federation for the Dahae tribes.
  21. Armenia: Should the Kingdom of Armenia be destroyed (or if you destroy it) you can reclaim their legacy and form a new Armenian Kingdom.
  22. Egypt: Should the Ptolemaic kingdom of Egypt be destroyed, someone else of Egyptian culture and religion can reform that kingdom.
  23. Macedon: If Macedon is destroyed there is no shortage of other countries who could reclaim that legacy. Gaining claims on all that the old kingdom once ruled.
  24. Phrygia: While Phrygia exists at start as the realm under Antigonus this is a smaller regional formable for someone who controls the core Phrygian region.
  25. Pontus: The kingdom of Pontus can be formed by a local power that conquers the region if the old Pontus state is destroyed. This decision is also available to anyone with the Mithridatid dynasty in power (at start this rules the small city state of Kios)
Tier 3 Formables
Greater regional empires.
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  1. Albion: A non-tribal country that has united the entire British isles can form the Empire of Albion.
  2. Argead Empire: While the great Diadochi kingdoms have a more realistic shot at this, any Hellenic kingdom can attempt to reform the Argead Empire, laying claim to all lands once ruled by Alexander the great. In order to do so they must conquer major cities all over this fallen empire.
  3. Bharatavarsha: An Indian country that conquers the entire subcontinent can lay claim to this prestigious title of an Pan-Indian Empire.
  4. Gaul: A Gallic power that unites its entire region may form the greater state of Gaul.
  5. Pan-Hellenic League: While the Pan-Hellenic League under Alexander, and later the successors, was a type of organization for the control of the Greek cities by an outside power, the ideal of a league to encompass the free Greek is not dead. An expansive Greek Republic that rises to sufficient power and influence can attempt to form a Pan-Hellenic league of a more true calling.
  6. Greater Iberia: A power in Iberia that unites the entire peninsula can form the greater state of Iberia.
  7. Persia: While the Persian empire was destroyed under Alexander, the name and tradition will not die as easily. A Persian power that reclaims the empire can assume a greater Pan-Persian imperial tradition once more.
  8. Phoenicia: Few Phoenician cities remain free at our start dates, and those that do are beholden to the Antigonids in Phrygia. Should they somehow be able to wrest away the greater Phoenician region from its current owners however they may attempt to form a greater Phoenician state.
  9. Magna Graecia: At our start Magna Graecia, Greek southern Italy, is divided into a great number of small, and mostly weak, states. Should one rise above all others they can form the greater state of Magna Graecia, champion of all Italian Greeks.
  10. Dacia: Unification country for the Dacian states, requires conquering and colonizing the greater Dacian region.
  11. Parthia: While Parthia exists as a Macedonian Seleucid Satrapy at start, a country in the region can destroy this state and form a new Parthian state (more similar to the Arsacid or Parthian empire).
 
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W00t, that is early @Trin Tragula ! :D

Lovely and meaty dev diary. I see the decisions like Reunite Alexander's Empire has not the requirements in the text, like in EU4? How will we know which requirements there is?
 
Will you only be able to only form a certain tag and that is considered a final tag similar to how eu4 handles tags currently?
I'd imagine they make all Tier 3 tags a end game tags so once you form them you cannot swap out for something different, but then again its just my opinion on how they could've handled it.
 
W00t, that is early @Trin Tragula ! :D

Lovely and meaty dev diary. I see the decisions like Reunite Alexander's Empire has not the requirements in the text, like in EU4? How will we know which requirements there is?

You can still see the requirements, for those you hover over the checkbox. We also have highlighting. :)

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Amazing dev diary!

I do however wonder if something akin to end game tags exist? For example if I start as Atropatene and form Media, can I still go on to form Persia?

Thanks!
 
OMG ! The hype is real look at these achievements and formables !

Also very good work on achievement titles : A great mixture of puns, and great historical or pop-culture references ! Including unsurprisingly a Monty Python reference, but most suprised by "The Man who would be King" - congratulations to the one that thought that!
 
Ugh, world conquest achievment and not even o very hard achievment. My hype for this game just got halved if its gonna be another brainless blobfest like EU4 where world conquest is possible and the game is designed around making it possible (not even a very hard achievemea, just ''hard"?.
 
Ugh, world conquest achievment and not even o very hard achievment. My hype for this game just got halved if its gonna be another brainless blobfest like EU4 where world conquest is possible and the game is designed around making it possible (not even a very hard achievemea, just ''hard"?.
I mean wasn't this what romans kind of tried to do ? So why stop it from happening in the game where the title country tried doing this ?
"Oh yeah here is a game about roman expansion but we will stop you from being able to expand"
 
In addition to all of the above you are now required to control all forts in a province, as well as the province capital, before you can demand that province in a peace negotiation.

What happens if:
- Two allies in the same war control different forts in the same province?
- Two nations in different wars control different forts in the same province?

Times New Roman - Own Cariala, Italica and the province of Helvetia as Rome

Love it!
 
Not really, no. It was "one thing led to another and we ended up with this".
Yes, well I don't mean that when they were a city state they drew a map and said " Alright bois lets get to it we have a lot of conquering to do" But I do mean they conquered a lot of lands and probably would do even more if not stopped by barbarians and internal conflicts. So why should we restrict players from doing this ? Simply because few people say "ewww another map paint, I hate expansion , I rather play with one city state and stay like that"
 
Ugh, world conquest achievment and not even o very hard achievment. My hype for this game just got halved if its gonna be another brainless blobfest like EU4 where world conquest is possible and the game is designed around making it possible (not even a very hard achievemea, just ''hard"?.

It's sort of Europa Universalis: getting world conquest as any nation is a hard achievement, but then getting it as a minor nation is usually considerably harder. Playing as Rome or one of the successor states will be a very different experience compared to trying to world conquest as Crete.
 
It's sort of Europa Universalis: getting world conquest as any nation is a hard achievement, but then getting it as a minor nation is usually considerably harder. Playing as Rome or one of the successor states will be a very different experience compared to trying to world conquest as Crete.

But who would be the three mountains equivalent?
 
I mean wasn't this what romans kind of tried to do ? So why stop it from happening in the game where the title country tried doing this ?
"Oh yeah here is a game about roman expansion but we will stop you from being able to expand"

Tried to, were very very very far from. Not even 1/5 along the way by the end game.

To believe that it would be possible to conquer the world (all of europe north africa india ind middle east) in just 350 years is just absurd.

And the game is gonna be EU4 mindless boring unchallenged blobfest if it allows it with notv even a very hard achievment.

That means that internal struggle and politics are actually non existen, or else I dont see how it could even be possible to achieve it in such short time in such a massive map.


So i dont know what youre talking about i didnt say anything about stopping you from expanding. One thing isnachieving the roman empire and another is to conquer the world. In 350 years. Cannot strees that enough.

Again, that means that in reality, civil wars andn internal are nonexistent and irrelevant, or there is no way you can achieve it if rebelions and civil wars actually were a things. So its one of the two