I like how the maps in Imperator seem to be much larger in scale than in Europa for example
Imperator - Development Diary - 14th of January 2019
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Can't recall any cases either - it was only really done in the absence of sons..
So according to that faulty logic -
- No such things as Russia or Poland exist until 1991.
- There was no Japan until 1947.
- Chinese people didn't appear on earth until 1949.
- France didn't come into existence as a concept until 1959.
Sheesh, it gets tiresome every time these armchair experts (with maybe the single Reddit article they read) on India show up to argue about its existence. When unified India as a concept had existed since late bronze age texts, and the civilization itself appeared well with the Mauryans. But alright, "hurr durr India doesn't exist".
You are once again confusing the historic term of "India" with that of the modern state of India. As for armchair experts readings reddits, maybe you're referring to yourself. Myself, on the other hand, happen to come from the land that the River Indus/Sindhu flows through. The original name itself has its origins in this river.
A unified India concept did not exist until recently. That's absolute hogwash. The only time this has happened is during the Mauryans, The Mughals, and the British Raj times.
India, and Indians were names given by foreigners to this huge subcontinent. Kind of like a geographical term. To relate it to the modern state of India is a sign of complete ignorance. The people of this area did not all consider themselves "Indian". Anyone who says that, has probably never set foot here.
Yeah i want my enatic nomand tribe while conquering the steppes and creating a proper incest castatring male amazon tribal or nomand empire,,,, damn i play way too much Ck2 ^^
What is an "Epiproxenos"? A quick google search yields no results.
Also what is a "Tropheus"? A quick google search returns some fish. Now it could be the title of the pharaoh's pet fish, which of course should have a place in government, but then why is some dude occupying the position?
Also what is a "Tropheus"? A quick google search returns some fish. Now it could be the title of the pharaoh's pet fish, which of course should have a place in government, but then why is some dude occupying the position?
Google Translate checks for meanings in modern greek so it obviously can't provide you with meaningful results if you look for a meaning of ancient greek word.
Liddel-Scott Greek-English Lexicon gives the following for Tropheus (τροφεύς):
one who brings up, foster-father, (...), tutor
Epiproxenos is a bit more tricky, because it is a neologism created for a sole use of a game, but we know what proxenos means:
public guest or friend, made so by an act of the State, ... , esp. of persons representing the interests of a foreign state in their own community
And stem epi- in composite verbs can denote placement in time or space (as toward, after, over etc.), extension, accumulation and, more importantly, accompaniment or superiority.
So Epiproxenos would be someone sent to or accompaning friends of state or those who represent foreign intrests or power. Basically he should be your minister of foreign affairs.
I hope i helped.
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Epiproxenos:
Proxenos is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxeny
Epi- means Over-. So it's a Overproxenos or Chief Proxenos.
I did not use google translate, I used a simple google search. Per your suggestion, I went to the LSJ Greek-English Lexicon and the word is pretty tricky to place. Apparently, it can mean foster-father as you say. Though why one would be in government I'm not so sure. It could mean also horse breeder. It could mean personal attendant/slave. It could even mean a female nurse. In general, a very strange choice for a government position.
Nevertheless thanks for pointing me to that lexicon.
But in that case why would that person be in your government? If he is an agent I mean of a foreign state.
Also if we are going for neologisms, archi- like with other titles would make more sense I believe than epi-. In fact epistrategos is the only such epi- title I can think of from the top of my head and even then only in the context of the Ptolemaic dynasty.
Thanks for the link. I would argue again that archi- makes more sense for "chief" though I'm still not sure what a foreign state's ambassador is doing in your government.
It's not a foreign state's ambassador. It's the guy who manages the foreign state's ambassadors. The guy who is above them
Was there actually such a thing? The whole proxeny thing as per the article linked was a city-state function anyway. And usually epi-, or archi- means that the person is one of whatever - is himself. So the epi-strategos is still a strategos, the archi-iatros, is still an iatros etc. It makes sense the epi-proxenos will also be a proxenos. But a proxenos representing whom? It makes little sense.
No. But this are gameplay functions with flavour names. What else would you do?
I would try to find sth that at least makes sense. This, as explained at least, doesn't really. Now what would make sense instead I don't know. But I'm sure they would know some good historians that can advise them on such matters. Difficult to develop such games without such help. They should ask them.
Good look finding something. And if you find nothingt? What would you do? I study history and it's not that easy as you think.
If you find nothing then I would guess you are trying to represent the wrong government. Trying to conform to modern expectations instead of portraying what was happening etc.
The government features are universal for ALL places on the map. And there are even some places like Britain were we don't even know how gvernment worked at all. It's still a game not a simulator which can represent ALL governments in 300 BC. If you want historical realism you would have no influence in Athenian politics at all and would just watch
Also as history student I can tell you: The absent of information does NOT confirm that this thing didn't existed in some way.
And that is a good thing from a game design perspective? Have all factions play the same? I wouldn't say that. And no it doesn't have to be a historical simulator for it to include different governments and I did not request a simulator either. What you are doing is called a strawman argument.
What absence of information? We have information about what a proxenos was, you yourself gave me a link to wikipedia. And even though epiproxenos is a bad, in my opinion, neologism that doesn't mean that we can't break down the word and see what it means. There is no absence of information in that. The term is simply used incorrectly.
There are 3 different government forms each with 8 different government positions that give different bonuses. Each government form also have some different mechanics such as republics have the senate. Each government form have several government types who provide different bonuses and need different idea Groups in order to give these bonuses. There are 36 national ideas so you have several thousends of possible combinations. You also have 8 laws each with 4 setting which give over 60 000 possible combinations.
@Trin Tragula Can successors take refuge in foreign countries for support? Or is it all over after they defeated?
If they are exiled or similar they will be moved to another country but as there is no cb to press claims I suspect the just become normal characters at that point.