Imperator Dev Diary: Traditions and more inventions

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Hi all!

Today we’ll be covering changes to Military Traditions, as well as showing you some iteration points on the new invention system.

Military traditions will be receiving a similar treatment to inventions, in that they will now exist in a tree-structure, with a modicum of choice, and continuing to be unlocked by their own unique resource, Military Experience.

The military traditions screen currently appears as below; though it’s worth noting that this view is very WIP, and is likely to be entirely changed in the near future.


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As you can see here, there are now twice as many trees as before - we’ve split up the existing trees into two themed parts, such as Greek Kingdom traditions and Greek Poleis traditions.

As a Greek, for example, I would be able to follow either of these trees at the beginning of the game.

The bonuses themselves have received a balance pass, but haven’t changed drastically at this juncture; the military flavor and abilities unlocked from old trees have been preserved and distributed, however, there is one notable exception to this:

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Each of the new trees is now explicitly linked to a geographically adjacent or culturally related set of tradition trees; the Greek Poleis traditions, for example, allow you the ability to unlock Levantine traditions. Likewise, the Roman traditions allow you to opt-in to Greek traditions should you so desire.

The unlock nodes for these particular traditions are usually separated from the rest of the tree - it should remain inefficient to look further afield, though the opportunity to craft your civilization in different ways is a core part of the vision I have for Imperator.

This does of course mean that should you be able to generate enough Military Experience (the sources of which will be discussed in a future dev diary), you will eventually be able to unlock almost any tradition category from anywhere in the world. This is likely to require a campaign’s-worth of experience gathering, however.

We’ve also added instant effect blocks to these traditions, so as per inventions, we’re able to fire arbitrary script effects on adoption of a specific tradition - how exactly we’ll use this is as yet undecided, but gives both us and modders a lot more power over making trees feel unique.

And now we’re back onto inventions!

The technology and inventions dev diary was very well received, but also came with some constructive community feedback.

As we mentioned, we hadn’t quite decided how to deal with invention cost - so based on feedback and balance, we’re dropping the gold cost for inventions. Innovations (as mentioned last week) will be required to unlock inventions, but will now be the sole resource for doing so. These will still be generated through technology levels, but may also be granted in special cases from elsewhere.

This means that unlocking all inventions over the course of a campaign becomes more or less impossible - what becomes important is the path you will take through them. This also added the need for more character and identity for some inventions, in order to be able to craft your civilization into something unique that differs from playthrough to playthrough:

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(Visuals still WIP! The star means nothing, and is debug only ;))

Here, we’ve added another layer of choice-making. You’ll notice above that some inventions have a unique ornament. This indicates a cornerstone invention that has significant or gameplay altering effects.

This can be a significant modifier boost, however it can also be one-shot effects such as raising stats of important characters or rulers, unlocking related aspects to features (for example, Great Wonder building effects), or changing how you interact with characters - I’ll provide a few examples below:


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Another UI solution you may have noticed, is that these tree screenshots have all appeared at different zoom levels. We’re implementing a common zoom-area utility for tree-graphs such as Missions, Inventions and Traditions, which will function similarly to the focus trees of HOI, or the family tree viewer in Crusader Kings III.

That’s all for now - until next week!

/Arheo
 
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Each of the new trees is now explicitly linked to a geographically adjacent or culturally related set of tradition trees; the Greek Poleis traditions, for example, allow you the ability to unlock Levantine traditions. Likewise, the Roman traditions allow you to opt-in to Greek traditions should you so desire.

The unlock nodes for these particular traditions are usually separated from the rest of the tree - it should remain inefficient to look further afield, though the opportunity to craft your civilization in different ways is a core part of the vision I have for Imperator.

This does of course mean that should you be able to generate enough Military Experience (the sources of which will be discussed in a future dev diary), you will eventually be able to unlock almost any tradition category from anywhere in the world. This is likely to require a campaign’s-worth of experience gathering, however.

I'm I reading this correctly? does this mean that traditions are now no longer boring and static?
 
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So unlocking an implementing both cost innovation points? Also compliments on the new system
 
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You people are really doing a great job on this patch. If the game had been released like this I think imperator would be one of the most popular strategy games out there.
 
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I'm I reading this correctly? does this mean that traditions are now no longer boring and static?

That would be subjective, I suppose, but indeed - they're much more dynamic than eve before - no more linear trees :)

So unlocking an implementing both cost innovation points? Also compliments on the new system

There will only be one cost; unlocking only.
 
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Is it possible to make both left mouse button and middle mouse button for navigation?
 
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Good stuff! Romans were famously good at plagiarism so it's great that you can choose to do that now.
The unlocks are 'hard-coded' per culture and not tied to geographic proximity or integrated cultures, correct?
Regardless, more choice is great. I really like the direction you're taking with this!
 
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That wold be subjective, I suppose, but indeed - they're much more dynamic than eve before - no more linear trees :)



There will only be one cost; unlocking only.
Does this mean that you get all inventions when you advance technology but only in one specific branch?
 
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Nice!
Question:
Will we have inventions images as there are in military traditions? (I must admit it would be an extensive amount of work)
 
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Does the "unlock levantine traditions" option mean that the Ptolemeans start with greek traditions and have to change further on the road? Would be my desired way of implementation.

Further is it possible to go from Iranian or Levantine to greek traditions? I mean that was what happened for some of the kingdoms.
 
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This next update is looking amazing! Given the discounts to inventions, does that mean we'll get fractions/decimals of innovations to spend monthly, or will we still get exactly 1 everytime we go up a tech level?
 
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Are you planning additionnal gold sinks then? The current invention system is the only reason I was watching my gold reserves in the late game - something I never had to do in EU4 or even Crusader Kings.
 
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This looks great! You are doing a nice job.
Have you considered the possibility of linking the ability of unlocking foreign tradition to the integration of cultures? For example, as a Diadochi Kingdom which has integrated persian culture, it should be automatically possible to use persian traditions.
 
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Does that mean that the option to demand gold in peace will return? If I remeber correctly it was removed as gold became a more abstract representation of the economy, especially since it was used to implement inventions.
 
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This looks absolutely amazing.

I haven't played since February but this patch really makes me hyped to return to the game.
 
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So the branches to other Military Traditions are all hard-coded, and nothing to do with your Pops? So if, for example, we pulled a Galatia, we'd have no advantage towards going Greek, we'd still have to go Barbarian->Italic->Greek (or something along those lines), just as we would if we had migrated to Spain or something instead?

Don't get me wrong, it's an improvement, but does feel quite conservative.
 
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