Imperator Dev Diary 07/12/20

Imperator Dev Diary 07/12/20

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Today, we’ll be covering some additional mechanics coming in the Marius update, before we take a look at further mission trees coming as part of the Heirs of Alexander DLC.

Ports

As the astute amongst you have noticed, we’ve made several references to ‘upgrading’ port infrastructure in recent dev diaries and streams.

Prior to Marius, ports were seeded in numerous historical locations, but could never be altered, removed, or added during gameplay. As Imperator is a game where the ability to build your own civilization is paramount, it seemed natural that this behaviour should be reconsidered.

As part of Marius, shipyards will be a constructible building-type, which along with various local effects, will increase the port level of the territory in which they are built.

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Shipyards can be constructed in any coastally adjacent territory, which will have the graphical effect of creating a culturally appropriate port model in the coastal territory. For technical and design reasons, we’ve chosen not to allow the construction of shipyards in river provinces, unless there was a pre-seeded port already present (Pataliputra or Sais, for example).

The level of port in a territory will primarily dictate which ships it is able to construct; low level ports may only build and repair Light ships, for example.

Mega-polyremes will require a port level of 5, but are still gated behind the corresponding military tradition, though due to the tradition tree rework, this unlock can now be attained by any nation willing to invest into the traditions of the Greek Kingdoms.

You’ll be able to distinguish between port levels by map icon; two such examples at the beginning of the game are the port in Alexandria which begins at a higher level than surrounding territories:

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Lastly, but not least - ports can now be removed or destroyed by removing shipyard buildings in the associated territory.This will evict any mercenary navies currently present, and destroy the port model.

Technology Feedback

Your response to the technology trees coming in 2.0 was overwhelming, and I feel we’re on an good course with these. This said, there was some excellent critique on the system, some of which we’ve had a chance to iterate on.

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One of the most common opinions we saw, was that the tech tree background appeared bland. To address this, our talented artists have added a diagrammatic background (replete with authentic wine stains) to give some identity to the game view.

One additional and enduring piece of feedback we’ve had during testing, was the lack of contextual identification for inventions in the new system - how does the player know what each invention represents, and how can they easily locate what they’re aiming for in our larger tree structures?

We’ve added two ways to mitigate this concern.

Firstly, inventions now display their foremost modifier icon inside the UI element. This gives an at-a-glance indication of what you’re likely to receive once an invention is purchased. As our regular players will know, however, there are a significant number of modifiers and modifier types in Imperator - it can be tricky to mentally map all of these. Which leads us to the second improvement.

The search bar in the top right corner will highlight inventions that correspond to your search terms. This will parse both names and modifier strings:

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(It goes without saying hopefully, that this highlight is WIP!)

In addition to these UI changes, some incidental balance changes have been made to the inventions system. Notably, while we do not wish for it to be possible to unlock all inventions in a single playthrough, the number available vs the number of innovations available were simply too far removed.

To mitigate this, we’ve decreased the expected years per technology from 20 years to 15 years - this reduces the ahead of time penalty accordingly, and should result in more frequent tech advances as time goes on.

Several modifiers previously tied to nation rank (particularly diplomatic relations) have been moved out of their associated rank modifier, and into the tech trees. I’ve never been entirely happy with the number of alliances and relations that were available from the beginning of the game - this addresses that concern, yet retains the ability to focus on this as a valid playstyle for players and AI, should their situation demand it.

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As the above screenshot suggests, we have also added more keystone inventions, particularly those which might alter the playstyle of a nation. The wargoal referred to here is the one mentioned in our previous developer diary. Whilst powerful, it sits relatively far down the Oratory tree, as many of our more game-changing inventions tend to.

Before I hand over to @Bratyn, I'm aware that I promised unit model screenshots a week or two ago - due to some final polish on these, I can't show them off just yet - watch this space!

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I am Drikus, the Content Design Lead on Imperator. Some of you may already know me, as for some years I worked on Hearts of Iron IV, until I moved to Imperator: Rome earlier this year. For the upcoming Heirs of Alexander DLC I shifted my focus from the Focus Trees I worked on in the past to Imperator’s Mission Tree system, creating a trio of missions for Lysimachus’ Thrace.

I will begin by stating that everything shown here is still work-in-progress and liable to change, so do not be surprised if certain details are different upon release from what is shown here.

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After Alexander’s death in 323 BCE Lysimachus, one of Alexander’s Bodyguards, was assigned governor of the satrapy of Thrace. This would prove to be a poisoned gift, as Thrace was only notionally a satrapy - much of the ‘theoretical extent’ of this satrapy was ruled by disloyal Greek colonies, Getian tribes, and the nation of Odrysia which had been unified under the king Seuthes III.

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Over the course of the next 20 years, until the game’s start date, Lysimachus showed his unparalleled military and diplomatic genius by fending off all threats posed to his tenuous hold over the satrapy. Getic raids, repeated Odrysian revolts and even a united uprising by the Greek colonies on the western shore of the Pontus Euxinus (Black Sea) were defeated. Even the combination of an Odrysian and this Greek revolt happening concurrently in 313-312 BCE, timed to coincide with an invasion across the Hellespont by Antigonus, were not able to bring Lysimachus down. The sheer speed with which Lysimachus defeated the Odrysi and Greeks in detail before the Antigonid crossing had even been made resulted in the invasion being cancelled altogether.

The issues facing a Thracian player in 304 BCE can thus be summed up in the following points:
  • Unification of the Thracian satrapy (later: Kingdom). This is in turn is comprised of:
    • Maintaining loyalty of Seuthes III and the Odrysian Kingdom
    • Achieving submission from the remaining tribes south of the Danube
    • Securing Thrace from raids and incursions from the Getae in the north
  • Obtaining the support of the Greeks, via a change in diplomacy. This is comprised of:
    • Maintaining loyalty of the Greek colonies that previous rebelled in 313-312 BCE
    • Gaining the favor of the Greeks by the judicious application of wealth, in a display of generosity and “euergetism”
    • Dismantling the influence of other Diadochs over the Greek mainland
    • The establishment of a league in the Greek mainland that is friendly to Thrace
  • The invasion of Asia. This is comprised of:
    • Obtaining a fleet sufficiently large to effect a crossing of the Hellespont
    • Dismantling Antigonid control over the coastal Greek states in Asia minor
    • Establishing Thrace’s own subject nations in these parts
    • Protecting these new Asian holdings from aggression from further south and east.

The three Thracian missions can be taken in any order, depending on what the player initially wishes to focus on. So, in no particular order, these are the new Thracian missions:


We will begin with the ”The Paper Kingdom” mission. The aim for this mission is to unify the nominal extent of Thrace under your rule, and secure it from threats both from the north and from the south.

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The mission has three main parts. The left deals with Odrysia. The right deals with the Getae. The center features tasks focusing on cultural unity and the expansion of the capital city of Lysimacheia both as an economic center and a military bulwark situated on the Hellespont.

Seuthes III, Odrysia’s king, unified the Odrysi tribes under his rule, and attempted to prove the Odrysi’s ability to match the Macedonians in their culture. Odrysia is an ever-disloyal thorn in the side of Thrace. Go to war with another diadoch, and they are liable to stab you in the back for their own gains. However, drive them back, and they will sue for peace and accept a return to the status quo. You may of course continue your onslaught and wipe them off the map quickly, but accepting this early peace would free your troops to continue your undoubtedly more pressing wars.

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Once Odrysia has been put in its place at least once, negotiations can be begun. Offering concessions or gold will make the Odrysi less likely to rebel in future wars. Offering still more, in the Unsavory Compromise and Loyalty Earned tasks, will erode popular Odrysi support for Seuthes’ wars, and prevent him from rallying the people in any further revolts.

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On the other hand, if you lack such patience, or if you have a particular penchant for vengeance, once Odrysia has revolted at least twice, you may prepare a punitive expedition. “Plucking the Thorn” will cancel Odrysia’s vassalage to Thrace, and bring you into a state of war with them. Again, Odrysia may sue for peace, but this time you will hopefully have no other wars to distract you. Seuthopolis, Odrysia’s capital, was created as a symbol of Odrysi culture and sovereignty. Controlling it enables the task “Breaking the Symbol” - completely destroying the city and burning it to the ground. Its people will be put to the sword, its riches looted, and the city will be reduced to a settlement, with only a handful of survivors (with others fleeing to random Odrysian provinces). This will ensure that the Odrysi will nevermore consider rising up against Thracian might.

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But beware, for the eyes of the northern tribes are upon you. Moesia, Triballia, and Serdia will be watching how you deal with the Odrysians. Once Seuthes has been dealt with, “The Tribes of the North” task sends ultimatums to these northern tribes. Each one will be offered to submit peacefully to Thrace, and their likelihood to accept depends partly on whether you chose to handle the Odrysian issue peacefully or with force…

Periodically, Getic raids may occur. Raiders will enter the territory of one of the Greek city-states on the coast of the Pontus Euxinus, and steal pops, food, or gold. Each time this happens their opinion of you for failing to defend them will suffer, and unhappy Greek states do not embody the concept of loyalty…

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Again, a peaceful or a military solution may be sought to this problem. “Fortify the Crossings” begins the peaceful branch. The goal is to use the breadth of the Istros (Danube) river as a natural barrier against future raids. Fortifying all possible crossings through the missions will achieve this (though this requires first actually controlling the crossings, some of which are owned by the tribes just south of the Istros), stop all future Getic raids, and unlock the “Bridge between Peoples” task, which greatly improves opinion with the states north of the river, as well as stimulating trade and immigration.

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The right-hand path starts with “Ending the Raids”, and declares war on the Getae. Win (even if the Getae still exist), and the frequency of their raids will be drastically reduced. Remove them from the map altogether, and they will stop completely. From there on, you may invade the rest of the lands north of the Istros river, or even go into Scythia, hopefully with more luck than the ill-fated Zopyrion.

Finally, the central branch involves integrating Odrysian culture into Thrace, improving the economic status of Lysimacheia, improving its forts, and finally, citing the ferocity of Thracian fighters, providing (temporary) combat bonuses to the traditional Thracian troop types: archers, light cavalry, and light infantry.

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We will next look at the “A New Philhellenic Policy” mission. This mission deals with the Greeks in Greece proper, but also more directly with the Greek colonies on the shore of the Pontus Euxinus.

As you may have noticed from the pictures above, where only Istros used to exist as an independent Greek state on this coastline, now all Greek cities here have been made independent, and turned into vassals of Thrace. This is to better represent the political reality of the area, as well as provide increased replayability by adding a new swath of minor powers to try out.

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In the previous mission I mentioned that a lower opinion from your Greek colonial subjects will make them more likely to be disloyal. When at war with another diadoch, they may choose to send their wealth to attempt to spark an uprising among these Greek states. Opinion is one of the factors that governs whether these states will rise up or not.

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The right-most branch of this tree deals with this problem. Two paths exist.

On the left, “Condone the Local Mints” kicks off the ‘autonomy’ branch. You give the Greek Poleis further autonomy and rights, and invest in their economic development, first reducing the chance they will rise up against you, and finally removing the chance altogether.

On the right, “Enforce Royal Coinage” instead strips them of their rights and establishes strengthened garrisons. This will initially reduce the chance of their rising up, and eventually, by dint of them no longer existing, remove this chance altogether when “Solidify Control” annexes these cities directly.

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The rest of the mission tree focuses on the Greek mainland. “Philhellenic Euergetism” spreads your wealth around the Greek city-states, in exchange for a healthy opinion boost. The various tasks to its left grant further ‘gifts’ to Athens, Sparta, and Boeotia, ‘encouraging’ them to break free from the vassalage of other Diadochs, and possibly even accept an alliance with Thrace as their new protectors. This branch wouldn’t be complete without having the quintessential “league” task - allowing for the creation of your very own Greek subject league, since I’ve heard this is all the latest rage among Diadochs, and you wouldn’t want to be looked down upon for not having one.

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Finally, everyone knows that every self-respecting Diadoch considers themselves a god, so as a final bit of ego-pandering you can establish a personality cult and even worship Lysimachus as the god-on-Earth he was. For who, other than a god, could have taken over Thrace and achieved what he achieved, beset by enemies from every direction?


The third, and final mission we will look at is “Crossing the Hellespont”. This is the mission that deals with Thrace’s neighboring fellow Diadochs: the Antigonid Kingdom and Macedon.

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On the right, tasks allow the seizure of the Byzantine fleet to bolster your numbers and secure a crossing over the Hellespont, as well as offering other military bonuses, integrating cultures, extorting your subjects for money to maintain the war effort, and finally beginning a grand ship-building program to contest the Aegean.

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On the left, “Crush Asian Greek Resistance” and “Sway Asian Greek Loyalty” offer a choice between two approaches to your initial assault on the Antigonids: brute-force your way through with temporary combat bonuses, or bribe some of the Greek minor subjects of the Antigonids to switch sides.

From here, you may honor the legacy of Troy, to the approval of the Greeks, as well as use diplomatic means to bring Heraclea Pontica, ruled by Basilissa Amastris, into the fold. Further tasks allow for the creation of Pergamon as a subject state, as well as the creation of forts in the Taurus mountains, and claims for future conquest in Cappadocia. The mission is finished by ensuring no other Diadoch or their subjects owns any province on the coast of the Pontus Euxinus.

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A final branch, tucked away between the others, deals with Macedon. Historically, Lysimachus and Cassander were close allies, but with Cassander’s death Pyrrhus and Lysimachus eventually divided Macedon among each other. In the mission tree, you can reach out to the Epirotes and prepare for war on Macedon from both sides. Once Cassander is dead, “The Matter of Macedon” brings both powers into war with Macedon, for you to divide as you see fit. A final task allows for exacting vengeance on Demetrios in a most appropriate manner, as retribution for the insults he leveled at Lysimachus…

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Lysimachus is, in my opinion, the most overlooked of all the Diadochs, in part because so little information about him is available. Delving into what historical evidence does exist has been an absolute pleasure, and my personal regard for his accomplishments has grown tremendously. I hope you will enjoy playing Thrace with these missions as much as I enjoyed researching and working on them. Playing Thrace is intended to be a challenge, but succeed and you’ll have experienced a hint of what it was to be Lysimachus!

See you next week for a new dev diary! :)
 
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1) On the trade screen/main map screen, could you show the port level on the map, similar to that of EU4? I can already see the tedium of clicking through all the ports to see what level they are. That difference in icon is a great feature, but I worry I won’t be able to distinguish it as best as a Roman numerical system.
2) Could we get a visualisation of the map screen of the trade routes, like in EU4/Total War games? I know there technically is one when selecting trade routes, but I would really like shipping lanes or merchant fleets. In short, making the map feel more alive, and a possible trade rework in the future. it would really help make me feel I can playing a mercentile nation.
3) Is there an Epirote mission to reach out to Lysimachus to help invade Macedon, since now we can reach out to the Epirotes to help invade Macedon?

Apart from that, the update sounds really good. i would like more flavour in terms of special units/ breaking down the Heavy Infantry unit into phalanx/other units or special units (cretan archers, silver shields which u can ally etc) but hopefully the update hasnt stopped in terms of features yet.

EDIT: And of course, a big thanks to all the devs for listening to our concerns and trying to address them! We do appreciate it :)
 
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Thank you for adding the ability to make ports, I always wanted to add and upgrade ports in the game.
 
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That's pehaps the beefiest dev diary ever... yet still no promised unit models. 0/10 refunded already.
 
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3) Is there an Epirote mission to reach out to Lysamachius to help invade Macedon, since now we can reach out to the Epirotes to help invade Macedon?

There is an Epirote mission to ally Thrace, though it doesn't fully duplicate the effects of this two-pronged war on Macedon. That is a unique thing for Thrace.
 
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Hmm, hmm, hmm. Now, see, there are actually fairly significant geographic factors influencing the locations of ports. You want a large body of water, deep enough to admit larger vessels but sheltered from the open sea, and with minimal tidal variation. You can build breakwaters and dredge the bay but it's not exactly frictionless.

I'm on board with having to build up your ports, but I'm not certain I like the idea of being able to throw one just anywhere.

Cool to see more minors being carved out of the diadochi blobs, too.
 
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Will there be more diplomatic actions or alliances or any other relations between countries?
I don't even count on those different mechanics that you have decided to work more on (and hopefully you are doing so!) but anything else to spice up the life ;)
Even more bare modifiers for modders to use :)
 
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Wow reading Bratyns post makes me wanna play Thrace ;D excellent focus on the missions. I'm impressed!
 
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I'm usually not interested too much in mission trees, but this one seems awesome! I'll definitely want to play Thrace in the next update, and I can definitely see some hoi4 influence on the mechanics!

Now about ports, it has already been pointed out that in the classical era ports where not something you could building whereever you wanted to, but I can see why people would like to place them however they want, so how about adding a modifier like in eu4 called something like "natural port" and limit the construction of high level ports (maybe 3+) to just those territories?
 
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how about adding a modifier like in eu4 called something like "natural port" and limit the construction of high level ports (maybe 3+) to just those territories?
This would be a perfect way to handle natural ports.
 
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So will the diplomacy be reworked as well ?

Since you can bypass most missions, just by fabricating a claim and fully annexing any of the states
 
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I'm usually not interested too much in mission trees, but this one seems awesome! I'll definitely want to play Thrace in the next update, and I can definitely see some hoi4 influence on the mechanics!

Now about ports, it has already been pointed out that in the classical era ports where not something you could building whereever you wanted to, but I can see why people would like to place them however they want, so how about adding a modifier like in eu4 called something like "natural port" and limit the construction of high level ports (maybe 3+) to just those territories?
@Arheo Hopefully could u look into this? It seems like a good compromise. It would also mean I can strategies more to target these ports
 
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Can't wait to play! Any rough estimation when that will be?
 
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really like the visual change to technology.

Thrace mission seems fun aswell.

Ports were leaked allready but cool to see it.
 
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Love the background geometric shapes, less the 'wine stain', I find it distracting and slightly annoying ;) Perhaps just make the geometric shapes more pronounced...
Great work btw, can't wait to try the BETA *wink*
 
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That look very good. Imperator getting much better. I wish navy combat was more interest though. There no sailors or marines or experience. No supply ship. And ships not very interesting. Just build biggest most expense ship you can and that it. Ship have no unique role and ship have no range weapon. And navy battle have no independent flank with flank commander. Navy battle have no battle tactic.

Also League in Imperator pretty bad. They not work well. League member kill each other. No way to get nation to leave League and join yours. And there no internal League mechanic at all. All small country get destroyed fast which make me sad. And when small country get destroy usually no way to bring them back.
 
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