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Why should they have been able to stab hit with war scores around 20-30?
I'm not saying that past things justify current things, but one cannot claim that Pritania lost the dev clash because of 'bad luck'; they had quite a bit of good luck.

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I'm not saying that past things justify current things, but one cannot claim that Pritania lost the dev clash because of 'bad luck'; they had quite a bit of good luck.

Pritania could not have grow this quick if it wasn't lucky that hot code was hot at times meaning fixes to some of the things he did came in a week later than it should meaning he could parry for the issues ahead of time :)
So luck has been a friend of pritania along with good playing on his part :)
 

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Pritania could not have grow this quick if it wasn't lucky that hot code was hot at times meaning fixes to some of the things he did came in a week later than it should meaning he could parry for the issues ahead of time :)
So luck has been a friend of pritania along with good playing on his part :)
I'm not so sure if his army composition was that good playing against Rome ;), but Pritania indeed had some luck. I just wanted to point out that ascribing a possible defeat in the dev clash to a bug that occurred would be just a bit salty.
 
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Pritania could not have grow this quick if it wasn't lucky that hot code was hot at times meaning fixes to some of the things he did came in a week later than it should meaning he could parry for the issues ahead of time :)
So luck has been a friend of pritania along with good playing on his part :)

No shame in playing the game as it was. Kaiser Johan did the same thing with his empire in the stellaris dev clash
 

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If you are going to Enforce Peace, you have to either send a white peace or for the wargoal only, it's not a bug. I kept getting requests for a dozen provinces, which I am obviously not going to accept
We tried to send for only the wargoal several times but it didn't apply, obviously it's a bug and hence why I reported it. You could also for some reason attack shattered retreating armies which was super weird.
 

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I watched the VOD, so I couldn't make the suggestion live. But seeing HotRod searching every time for the war goal, what about a goto button on the warscreen that go to/highlight the wargoal ?
Especially since those province names will be quite new for everyone, a goto option on any province name (events, warscreen, etc..) would be very useful.
 

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Pritannia can't attack because truce.

Definitely not true as we could see. Stability is just a number :)


The total losses in the Rome-Pritannia war slightly favor Rome with about 250k vs 260k last time I could se it

The losses at the end of the session were at around 400k on each side. Compared to the total losses on the eastern front coalition being around 300k on each side.


Rome was in a much worse position during the last war

You have to consider the fact that we are playing on hot code and the game hasn't been released yet. If you look back 3 dev clashes my cohort size was similar to Rome's and now I have half of that amount even though my population has doubled since then. During the past two sessions I have not been able to have a real standing force due to changes that were made or bugs that have appeared. Fighting with two hands tied behind my back and still matching the fighting power of the coalition on the east.

If anything Pritania has been in a terrible position for two sessions now, but was still able to hold off Rome while killing off its guaranteed endangered culturual minority: Armorica.


I'm not saying that past things justify current things, but one cannot claim that Pritania lost the dev clash because of 'bad luck'; they had quite a bit of good luck.


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Ah yes I remember that moment, it wasn't luck - it was perfectly calculated as I knew we were playing on the build of the previous week. KJ has pulled similar cunning moves when we crashed and didn't use the latest save. Instead of peacing me out like before he declared on Sequonia and killed it without me being able to intervene. I then used the exact same tactic on Armorica.

All is fair in love and Imperator: Rome. ;-)
 

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Ah yes I remember that moment, it wasn't luck - it was perfectly calculated as I knew we were playing on the build of the previous week. KJ has pulled similar cunning moves when we crashed and didn't use the latest save.
I'd count both as luck :) You could've played on a different build or the crash might not have happened. It's hot code so expecting something else would be a fallacy.
 

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Thanks for bringing a little bit of RP in here)

I wish some more of the players show as some of the important characters, like the mighty king of Macedon that managed to give Rome a fight that real life cowards like Philip V and Persius couldn't... or the Roman consul who manage to stop him!

Can you show us the traits of our hero(ine)?)

Sure. As you can see she was clearly meant for command. Other stuff like talking to people or government work was never really her thing even before the dementia set in. But fighting? That she could do blindfolded with both arms tied and still beat most opponents.

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Sure. As you can see she was clearly meant for command. Other stuff like talking to people or government work was never really her thing even before the dementia set in. But fighting? That she could do blindfolded with both arms tied and still beat most opponents.

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Her health rapidly declining is a good thing, as she won't have to live to see the day when Iberia is painted red! :D
 

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I feel like in between this war and the next is the time Consul Johan should begin paying his armies extra for that boost to morale. He can probably afford it, and it would be a huge help in these three front wars that drain even his huge manpower reserves in a couple months.
 

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I feel like in between this war and the next is the time Consul Johan should begin paying his armies extra for that boost to morale. He can probably afford it, and it would be a huge help in these three front wars that drain even his huge manpower reserves in a couple months.

He has to constantly burn his military power to sustain his armies and mercs already. Heavy infantry is hella expansive (five times the cost of light infantry, in fact).

And morale from wages wouldn't help him with anything much. It doesn't actually improve the killing power of soldiers, it just means they can stay in battle longer. The majority of KJ's losses are either to attrition from occupation and sieges (in which case its useless), from the few dozen different battles of the same Illyrian province (in which case a morale increase wouldn't help him much also, because those tend to be one sided, with a few exceptions), or from battles against Pritannia that he'd have won anyways because of the overwhelming numbers advantage on that front.

So KJ doesnt really need morale much imho, and certainly not enough to slow down his progress with inventions & other military stuff even more than it already has due to all the power burning.

As a side note, having more morale can be detrimential. If your army can stay in a battle that its losing for longer, its going to lose more men than it would have had it been forced to retreat earlier.
 

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anyone else a bit disappointed in the tactics of Rome and Prittania, both seemed to spread themselves too thin, Prittania made a long line of armies to try and siege down provinces as quickly as possible and ended up throwing away men while Rome seemed to split there forces between fronts, I get that Kaiser Johan wanted to use his naval advantage when he invaded Asia Minor but he opened up another front in a war against 4 players, they can be on every front and he cannot
on the other hand I think the Greeks and Dacians coordinated very well, Rome was very lucky to have Parthia intervene when they did.
I just hope this is not a sign that Rome will join the Mesopotamian hugbox as Sidestep has been KJ ally in all the dev clashes so far and I do not think people should pick allies based purely on the person who is playing the nation
 

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anyone else a bit disappointed in the tactics of Rome and Prittania, both seemed to spread themselves too thin, Prittania made a long line of armies to try and siege down provinces as quickly as possible and ended up throwing away men while Rome seemed to split there forces between fronts, I get that Kaiser Johan wanted to use his naval advantage when he invaded Asia Minor but he opened up another front in a war against 4 players, they can be on every front and he cannot
on the other hand I think the Greeks and Dacians coordinated very well, Rome was very lucky to have Parthia intervene when they did.
I just hope this is not a sign that Rome will join the Mesopotamian hugbox as Sidestep has been KJ ally in all the dev clashes so far and I do not think people should pick allies based purely on the person who is playing the nation

Pritannia really had no other choice but to try and quickly occupy, because the players don't have the observer mode we do, or the ledger for that matter. He had to be able to enforce white peace at the earliest possible time, in case one of the other anti-Johan fronts screwed up.

Because if he couldnt enforce peace and the rest of the players peaced out for some reason (like they did because of the black ninja of saxonia sneakily appearing and causing half of the allied army to be pulled back, leaving noone to push into Italy), he would be left in a war against KJ alone, which... well, wouldn't be a good idea. Its easy to say someone played poorly when you essentially know what happens in the future xd.

Imho he did the best thing he could, even looking at it from the perspective of what happened, because if he pushed conservatively, saving up troops and not taking in attrition, he'd not have occupied enough to white peace KJ by the time the Greeco-Dacians ended their war. And he stole a lot of pops through occupation too.

As for KJ... I imagine that trying to look at three fronts at the same time and reacting to sudden changes while not seeing where the enemy armies are moving due to fog of war is pretty hard. So he made a good call too and withdrew his armies back to northern Italy, causing his enemies to take attrtion by occupation while replenishing his manpower, which helped him in the next war which he declared, because he started it at 350k instead of 0. And his enemies were still bled dry due to their attempts to siege him down in the last war.

As for him joining a hugbox, wtf? He is basically stronger than the next 3 strongest players combined at this point, no matter how you look at it. Not to mention he can't even ally anyone because great powers can't due to the game rules. Best he would do is a guarantee to secure his interests but I doubt anyone other than the occasional ninja would actually try and attack someone else in the mediterrenean world while there is a red menace spreading and gobbling up more and more clay.
 
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It's all great if you repel 8 players at the same time. But it's even better when you take a province from Rome. Celticia is clearly the winner here. And they could challenge Rome in naval dominance (although I doubt it even if they combine their fleets with others, Rome can still pump out more triremes faster as seen in the Punic Wars)