Immurement: Bricked In Alive

[Thrumdi]

Immurement was a medieval punishment where offenders were bricked into a room or tower and left to starve to death.

If hasn't been suggested already, it would be a great punishment to add to the Republic DLC, as I'm sure the Family Palaces have many rooms suitable for this purpose. It's also more "delicate" than just executing someone.

Though it's undeniably ghoulish too!

 

[justin6477]

If we're going to implement more horrible punishments, we need Poena Cullei; it's where you toss a guy into the sea while he's trapped in a burlap sack that's also occupied by a snake, a monkey, a dog, and a rooster.

This might also be viable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

 

[Jak9090]

sounds cool how about in 200 years or something there is a % chance ur victim rises as azombie to haunt ur family.

 

[Lwantssugar]

As long as we're suggesting methods of dealing someone an untimely and unfortunate end: drawing and quartering, one of many things Mongols were infamous for, simply take the person in question, tie a rope to each limb, get 4 men on horses to take off in opposing directions

 

[ve3609]

I remember an amazing Byzantine AAR written during CK used immurement as a story point. I'd love it.

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

As long as we're suggesting methods of dealing someone an untimely and unfortunate end: drawing and quartering, one of many things Mongols were infamous for, simply take the person in question, tie a rope to each limb, get 4 men on horses to take off in opposing directions

Actually, this needs to be brought in for attempted regicides, and plotting to kill the king or even duke. As well as getting a claim on the perpetrators titles in order to banish/revoke everything, if need be. I've always felt that trying to kill a king in-game is represented far too lightly... risks ought to be commensurate to the rewards of offing a rival king.

 

[Jak9090]

why not make it so we add in new crown laws, that can dicate if u can freely execute someone, like if im english i make a crown law to kill all scots, sounds legit right?

 

[Guilu]

It's already represented by imprisonning and executing or throwing the guys into the oubliette. I just wish it was possible to send people into the oubliette straight away (or into house arrest, for that matter).

 

[Jakalak]

Before we do this could we please make blinding and castration non-Byzantine specific?

 

[unmerged(149861)]

sounds cool how about in 200 years or something there is a % chance ur victim rises as azombie to haunt ur family.

P'dox need to hire you for brainstorming DLC's!

 

[Talq]

As long as we're suggesting methods of dealing someone an untimely and unfortunate end: drawing and quartering, one of many things Mongols were infamous for, simply take the person in question, tie a rope to each limb, get 4 men on horses to take off in opposing directions

Just the mongols? (The english did this, although possibly out of the time period).

Mongols were more famous for 1. wrapping someone in a carpet & kicking them to death (reported death of the Caliph of Bagdhad, although I've heard of it being applied to others) &
2. tying them up, sticking them under a platform, and holding a feast on said platform, while the platform crushes the prisoner to death. (happened to Prince of Kiev among others after Kalka River).

Just remember, when the Mongols promise not to spill your blood, that doesn't mean you will survive the experience.

 

[Emre Yigit]

Garroting, boiling etc also spring to mind.

But isn't an execution an execution? Does the method matter (except, say, in the matter of spilling royal blood, hence the carpets and garrots)?

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

Considering that the "normal" execution costs you piety and tyranny points...

 

[Emperor Leo]

But isn't an execution an execution? Does the method matter

Exactly what I was thinking. When you click the Execute button, the character dies regardless. In the immurement case, would that not just be a differently named version of the oubliette option when you have someone captive?

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Also, don't forget, these harsh punishments were meant for commoners, not noblemen (with exception, of course) - killing a peasant in a cruel way might help to keep law and order, but killing a fellow (or even worse, one of your vassals, even if he's a traitor) count or duke is just bad taste (at least for Christian rulers), and conflicts with a major virtue of medieval rulers - clementia aka mercy. Just have a quick look into English history and see how often the Kings had pardoned clearly traitorous vassals and family members, often even against better knowledge.

 

[justin6477]

Also, don't forget, these harsh punishments were meant for commoners, not noblemen (with exception, of course) - killing a peasant in a cruel way might help to keep law and order, but killing a fellow (or even worse, one of your vassals, even if he's a traitor) count or duke is just bad taste (at least for Christian rulers), and conflicts with a major virtue of medieval rulers - clementia aka mercy. Just have a quick look into English history and see how often the Kings had pardoned clearly traitorous vassals and family members, often even against better knowledge.

Pretty sure you mean Catholic rulers.

The Byzantines did that crazy Roman bag thing during the whole Sicilian Affair with the Normans.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Pretty sure you mean Catholic rulers.

Ah, yes, of course.

 

[monsterfurby]

This might also be viable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

That's just... wow. Kudos for creativity there, Persia. I don't think there is much that can beat that for making a point...

And now excuse me, I need to dispose of my lunch.

 

[Talq]

Also, don't forget, these harsh punishments were meant for commoners, not noblemen (with exception, of course) - killing a peasant in a cruel way might help to keep law and order, but killing a fellow (or even worse, one of your vassals, even if he's a traitor) count or duke is just bad taste (at least for Christian rulers), and conflicts with a major virtue of medieval rulers - clementia aka mercy. Just have a quick look into English history and see how often the Kings had pardoned clearly traitorous vassals and family members, often even against better knowledge.

I did reread recently that the fondness for imprisonment over killing was a Carolingian thing (which then bleeds into HRE/France/Italy at the start of the period). That said its not clear how it worked as a principle (nobles at that time also 'accepted' the right of feuding if a relative was killed - by implication if you killed a relative of the king he presumably was entitled to execute you and go 'blood for blood!'. Funnily enough there aren't any cases showing either way...). Furthermore in practice, it wasn't so much a moral thing, as families not liking another member of the family being killed thing (ie, you annoy the dynasty, not all vassals) - so prominent landowners were safer (but again you would give up that protection if you went on a murderous rampage (against other nobles, and especially your family) yourself).

It had certainly weakened by the end of the period - a number of nobles were hanged for treason during the wars of the roses, and a larger number of nobles on the losing side of battles during the wars of the roses were 'killed in combat' often after not accepting quarter (Richard III being the most prominent, but Warwick & Somerset went the same way). 'Mercy' has a baseline (and in Edward IV's case, actually worked in most cases).

 

[justin6477]

That's just... wow. Kudos for creativity there, Persia. I don't think there is much that can beat that for making a point...

And now excuse me, I need to dispose of my lunch.

As far as individual punishments go, no. Not really.

When we get into the realm of collective punishment well, I'd say there are much more visually striking things. Like a field of impaled people. Let's not forget that Vlad's people-garden made the Turkish Emperor who just sacked Constantinople (hardly a delicate wallflower) turn back in disgust.