I'm pretty bummed we're not getting a 3.1.3

[Azhcristokos]

So, overall I consider Lem a great success. The Custodians wisely laid out and repeated expectations of what they were doing (including the reminder that Lem is bigger than what we can expect from the CI in the future). A number of balance issues were addressed (perhaps too severely in Shattered Ring's case), two old DLCs got some neat content, and an ancient mechanic (traditions) got a much-needed facelift, the only real change to its foundations since Utopia dropped 4 years ago. The Clone Army origin in particular showed a deal of creativity and is a worthy addition to Humanoids.

Buttttt the 3.1.2 hotfix was not as meaty as I would have liked. The devs' plans not to provide another fix for Lem is disappointing, leaving issues like the speedy asteroid that realistically can't be stopped (is that even a bug?), that persistent invincible fleet nonsense, some apparent problems with some of the new civics in certain conditions, the lackluster necrophage hive minds, and naturally the MP desyncs for mods that use custom GUIs...such as Gigastructural Engineering, one of the most popular and highly praised mods for Stellaris with almost 300k subscribers.

So Lem is cheering, and I'm really happy that the next Custodian patch is coming out in around two months, but it is a bit of a letdown that some of these issues were not considered worthy of working on now. I hope they get addressed in 3.2 at least.

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Edit: And I do just want to state that I think Stellaris is in the best shape it's been and I really appreciate the Custodians' work. Perhaps other PDX teams will adopt a similar initiative, but regardless, thank you for Lem; my friends and I are loving it (just without Gigastructures)!

 

[ImaTomato]

We don't?

is in the best shape it's been

Sure with the exception of the AI and performance which was significantly better in 1.9.

 

[Aepdneds]

We don't?


Sure with the excepetion of the AI and performance which was significantly better in 1.9.

You could add the again broken fleet reinforcement and the broken slave market. Both features worked in the past.

 

[currylambchop]

You could add the again broken fleet reinforcement and the broken slave market. Both features worked in the past.

Fleet reinforcement is largely the same to me, it has the same problem as the fleets stay in the shipyard

 

[Aepdneds]

Is it? I didn't had the problems that newly build ships are in transit for 15 years with the fleet being in the neighbouring system of the shipyard between 2.6 and 2.8 or that the "reinforce all" button was producing excess ships which are resulting in dozens of new fleets. These problems did exist two years ago but were ok for at least a year, and if you look in the forum I am not the only one who has seen an huge worsening of this problem since 2.8.

Please fix fleet reinforcement

This is driving me completely nuts, I get no indication that reinforcements is on their way, which would be fine if the button wasnt still clickable. The latest example is my "quick response" fleet made of all corvettes, it's now fully reinforced...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

Fleet reinforcement taking ages

Dunno if this'd be better in the mod forum or not, but since I don't know if it's a vanilla bug or not, going to ask here. Has anyone else had their fleet reinforcement take literal years to reach their fleet, even when the fleet is only a few...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

 

[currylambchop]

Is it? I didn't had the problems that newly build ships are in transit for 15 years with the fleet being in the neighbouring system of the shipyard between 2.6 and 2.8 or that the "reinforce all" button was producing excess ships which are resulting in dozens of new fleets. These problems did exist two years ago but were ok for at least a year, and if you look in the forum I am not the only one who has seen an huge worsening of this problem since 2.8.

Please fix fleet reinforcement

This is driving me completely nuts, I get no indication that reinforcements is on their way, which would be fine if the button wasnt still clickable. The latest example is my "quick response" fleet made of all corvettes, it's now fully reinforced...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

Fleet reinforcement taking ages

Dunno if this'd be better in the mod forum or not, but since I don't know if it's a vanilla bug or not, going to ask here. Has anyone else had their fleet reinforcement take literal years to reach their fleet, even when the fleet is only a few...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

I don’t have these problems but I run mods. The only problems I have that are new are that sometimes the reinforcement fleets stay in the starbase

 

[exi123]

I don’t have these problems but I run mods. The only problems I have that are new are that sometimes the reinforcement fleets stay in the starbase

Thats actually part of the problem and not everyone uses the fleetmanager. I do and its pretty bugged in the live version. No clue what they did to the values with reinforcements and MIAs, but it takes far to long. As described, a ship merging to a fleet one system away can take years, the regular flight would need just a few days.

 

[Brael]

So, overall I consider Lem a great success. The Custodians wisely laid out and repeated expectations of what they were doing (including the reminder that Lem is bigger than what we can expect from the CI in the future). A number of balance issues were addressed (perhaps too severely in Shattered Ring's case), two old DLCs got some neat content, and an ancient mechanic (traditions) got a much-needed facelift, the only real change to its foundations since Utopia dropped 4 years ago. The Clone Army origin in particular showed a deal of creativity and is a worthy addition to Humanoids.

Buttttt the 3.1.2 hotfix was not as meaty as I would have liked. The devs' plans not to provide another fix for Lem is disappointing, leaving issues like the speedy asteroid that realistically can't be stopped (is that even a bug?), that persistent invincible fleet nonsense, some apparent problems with some of the new civics in certain conditions, the lackluster necrophage hive minds, and naturally the MP desyncs for mods that use custom GUIs...such as Gigastructural Engineering, one of the most popular and highly praised mods for Stellaris with almost 300k subscribers.

So Lem is cheering, and I'm really happy that the next Custodian patch is coming out in around two months, but it is a bit of a letdown that some of these issues were not considered worthy of working on now. I hope they get addressed in 3.2 at least.

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Edit: And I do just want to state that I think Stellaris is in the best shape it's been and I really appreciate the Custodians' work. Perhaps other PDX teams will adopt a similar initiative, but regardless, thank you for Lem; my friends and I are loving it (just without Gigastructures)!

I don't know, honestly I find the lack of a 3.1.4 to be more of a missed opportunity.

 

[guiskj]

I wonder if the reason for no 3.1.3 is due to resources that it would require already being allocated to 3.2 and new DLC. So when PDX was hit with the decision of delaying something that can bring monetary value to them and a patch, the patch got the shaft.

 

[Borgratz]

More hotfixes is always nice, but I have to say that this isn't really a concern for me anymore now that I know there is a patch coming every 3 month.
as long as they actually patch the problems instead of ignoring them for a year now.

 

[Morbid Gerbil]

I'd have preferred a 3.14

Because.

 

[klopkr]

I think I can wait if the custodians keep up their pace. It's not like CK3 which has been broken since this summer.

 

[Lorenerd11]

The most annoying thing about Lem right now for me is the Unbidden completely ignoring FTL inhibitors. There's no reason why they can't just be programmed to bombard planets with FTL inhibitors until the inhibitor is disabled.

 

[Janx14]

More hotfixes is always nice, but I have to say that this isn't really a concern for me anymore now that I know there is a patch coming every 3 month.
as long as they actually patch the problems instead of ignoring them for a year now.

Assuming they keep widdling down bugs at a faster rate than before, I agree.

But Lem sort of feels like the usual "add some things, fix some things, leave new and old things broken until *maybe* some time down the road".

 

[Idle America]

Dammit, I really wanted that asteroid bug fixed...

 

[MonzUn]

but it is a bit of a letdown that some of these issues were not considered worthy of working on now.

Even if another hotfix is not being made, it doesn't mean the issues aren't being worked on.
There is an overhead to doing hotfixes, so the more hotfixes you get, the less total value you get.
Sop we will always need to strike a balance between speed and value and as the Custodian team will be doing relatively frequent releases anyway.

 

[MonzUn]

The most annoying thing about Lem right now for me is the Unbidden completely ignoring FTL inhibitors. There's no reason why they can't just be programmed to bombard planets with FTL inhibitors until the inhibitor is disabled.

I've responded to this in many threads already, but it's more complex than this and it's also against the design of the Unbidden.
They have jump drives and should not be hindered by FTL inhibitors.

 

[GnoSIS]

If 3.2 comes in 7 or 6 weeks it will be ok. Some issues can't be just hotfixed and need some time to be worked out.

Also I really don't like constant patches going on, it messes up with the mods and ends up being confusing.

What I wouldin't accept is to have the game 12+ weeks (more than 3 months) without any update or hot fix.

 

[15JTaylor]

I've responded to this in many threads already, but it's more complex than this and it's also against the design of the Unbidden.
They have jump drives and should not be hindered by FTL inhibitors.

Everytime a dev responds to a question I get excited. Thank you for taking the time to respond to questions

 

[Azhcristokos]

Even if another hotfix is not being made, it doesn't mean the issues aren't being worked on.
There is an overhead to doing hotfixes, so the more hotfixes you get, the less total value you get.
Sop we will always need to strike a balance between speed and value and as the Custodian team will be doing relatively frequent releases anyway.

This is good to hear. Not waiting 6+ months for fixes is definitely a huge plus of the CI, so I'm looking forward to seeing what outstanding problems you guys tackle in November!