I'm nervous about tomorrow's DD.

[TheDungen]

You're looking at it the wrong way if this is the last DLC then that means that they are ready to start working on ck3. And quite frankly the game is unstable as it is because of all the DLCs, not to mention extremely expensive for new players to get into (they are really shooting themselves in the foot with all those DLCs).

 

[Talq]

I'm sure they could but a streamlined UI isn't going to propel the Vicky series into selling more than the four IP you mentioned. Also, wasn't King the 'Vicky guy' at Paradox? He no longer works for them. V2 was a hardsell to begin with and Johan had to lobby pretty hard to even get that one made.

Point is, it would make no financial sense to put the entire studio on V3. It would get a very small dev team at best.

King did leave, but has since returned. Incidentally he has a game design credit on Conclave. That said whether V3 is developed isn't a stopper for CK3 - after all Stellaris & HOI4 showed they can develop two new games at the same time.

 

[Deleted]

I'm confused as to why people believe naval battles are impossible. The game is on the same engine as EU4. I do admit I'm ignorant on the technical stuff, and am aware implementing naval battles would require massive rewrites, but I'm positive it's in the realm of possibility. (And really should've been implemented by now)

 

[TheDungen]

CK3 might be a bit latter than that, if you assume that Stellaris and HOI4 get CK2 length development cycles and Vicky 3 is in the interim.

Except Paradox has grown as a studio a lot more than one game needs, they could proably even speed development up, but I doubt they'd do that because they'd start competing with themselves.

Even best case scenario Vicky 3 isn't going to sell that many copies (compared to CK/EU/Stellaris) so I highly doubt a large team would or budget be allocated towards that venture. Besides that Paradox has grown exponentially the past 4-5 years and is financially capable of developing multiple games at once. Now that HOI4 and Stellaris are released I'm sure more than one big project is in the works all things considered.

You don't think? Vic2 has by far the most loyal fanbase, and is generally still considered their best game by anyone who's learned to play it. I have no doubt that they are longing to get back to Vic with all the resources they have in their new post ck2 incarnation.

I think dropping EU is more likely than dropping vic because eu is the series that is the weakest, it's so bound by it's own legacy as a boardgame simulator. So yes I think vic3 is likelier than eu5 is. And ck3 more likely than both.

I'm confused as to why people believe naval battles are impossible. The game is on the same engine as EU4. I do admit I'm ignorant on the technical stuff, and am aware implementing naval battles would require massive rewrites, but I'm positive it's in the realm of possibility. (And really should've been implemented by now)

Naval battles are important, just because paradox has never gotten it right yet (though hoi4 seems to be handling it somewhat well in a more minimalist way) doesn't mean it's not something that should be represented well in their games.
I may be partial because my first job was as a tour guide at the national maritime museum of sweden, but seas and rivers are key to so many things. And also a factor that a lot of people overlook meaning they really have a chance to actually teach some history here.

 

[DukeDayve]

They said they would discuss "the future of CK2". I'm afraid they'll announce there will be no more support for the game after the next DLC, but there's so much room for improvement yet, such as naval battles, cadet branches, the entire endgame (1300+), China, etc.

I need a hug.

China doesn't belong in CK2. This was proven when expanding the map to India ruined the game's performance.

 

[Knotz]

I'm just hoping that since it's Doomdark we're getting an official announcement on [Secret DLC]. From what we've heard about it it could even be eponymous.

 

[telge2]

Even if no more features will be added anymore, tweaks and fixes would be still most welcome. E. g. Aquitania is still it's own de iure kingdom in 1066.

 

[Yenzen]

King did leave, but has since returned. Incidentally he has a game design credit on Conclave. That said whether V3 is developed isn't a stopper for CK3 - after all Stellaris & HOI4 showed they can develop two new games at the same time.

Considering he made his own space 4X he likely had a hand in the late development of Stellaris.

Anyway, I don't think pulling a stop to DLC for CK2 is a bad idea. Every DLC they make makes CK3 harder to measure up, and every time the target audience is a little smaller.

And obligatory offer of my spleen for Victoria 3. I don't know what the devs would need a spleen for, but if they make Vic 3 they can have it.

 

[sreckom92]

Is it not a yearly thing that devs talk about "future of CK2", or am I wrong?

 

[Robert II]

Stellaris is a skeleton. So they developed 1.7 games at the same time. not 2.

 

[sreckom92]

I for one would not like to see CK3 just yet.
Sure, HoI4 and Stellaris have obvious improvements engine-wise, but not enough to warrant CK3 in my opinion.
Those games are still plagued by late game slowdown, no matter the power of your machine.
Yeah, I would like to see Crusader Kings with all those fancy graphics and whatnot.
But a game that works is a prefferable choice for me.

CK3 in 5 years would be nice. In the mean time, fix CK2 and possibly dish out a couple of flavour expansions, and I'll be more than happy.

 

[Deleted]

I for one would not like to see CK3 just yet.
Sure, HoI4 and Stellaris have obvious improvements engine-wise, but not enough to warrant CK3 in my opinion.
Those games are still plagued by late game slowdown, no matter the power of your machine.
Yeah, I would like to see Crusader Kings with all those fancy graphics and whatnot.
But a game that works is a prefferable choice for me.

CK3 in 5 years would be nice. In the mean time, fix CK2 and possibly dish out a couple of flavour expansions, and I'll be more than happy.

I'd prefer CK3 to come sooner due to the potential of what it could be. Since CK2 we've seen EU4, Stellaris and HoI IV. Obviously the engine has evolved and is far superior and capable than before by the looks of what's come since, and thus able to simulate history and gameplay better. I feel with these new enhancements a Crusader Kings III is very wanted; though I'd prefer if they released a Victoria III and Rome II before a Crusader Kings III. Maybe not 5 years down the line, but 2-3 would be my happy number.

 

[grzegorz444]

I think major rework of cadet branches will be for CK3
Next expansion will be most probobly flavour basically, i think they already gathering new ideas for CK3

I only hope they not leave us with this crappy AI

 

[TheDungen]

Even if no more features will be added anymore, tweaks and fixes would be still most welcome. E. g. Aquitania is still it's own de iure kingdom in 1066.

Because france would be by far the largest dejure kingdom in the game if it wasn't. I tried having it be dejure france in a game it totally broke the game. The trick was never the dejure (even if flanders should go to france and brabant to lotharingia) but with taking away the dejure conquest cb from empire level titles, empires come with enough advantages without having a cb that will let them conquer a huge portion of the map.

 

[Rationalsanity]

Because france would be by far the largest dejure kingdom in the game if it wasn't. I tried having it be dejure france in a game it totally broke the game. The trick was never the dejure (even if flanders should go to france and brabant to lotharingia) but with taking away the dejure conquest cb from empire level titles, empires come with enough advantages without having a cb that will let them conquer a huge portion of the map.

The French AI is being changed so they don't form Aquitaine if they aren't close to Francia.

 

[Robert II]

The French AI is being changed so they don't form Aquitaine if they aren't close to Francia.

Are they changing anything to make the ai go for empire titles? Don't know how many times I've seen Charlie spam lower titles and new stables when he could wait a year for a big shiny new blue blob then go back to kingdom spamming to ruin his empire.