I'm nervous about tomorrow's DD.

[Arcvalons]

They said they would discuss "the future of CK2". I'm afraid they'll announce there will be no more support for the game after the next DLC, but there's so much room for improvement yet, such as naval battles, cadet branches, the entire endgame (1300+), China, etc.

I need a hug.

 

[Rationalsanity]

Apart from the end game content, none of those are likely to happen. China because of performance issues, naval battles and cadet branches due to engine limitations. Wait for CK3, the game is buckling under its own weight as it is.

 

[Cipher3]

Apart from the end game content, none of those are likely to happen. China because of performance issues, naval battles and cadet branches due to engine limitations. Wait for CK3, the game is buckling under its own weight as it is.

While it is true none of those things are likely, CK3 is also not going to happen for a long time according to the devs. We can expect more expansions yet, I believe.

 

[mjohnson85]

Apart from the end game content, none of those are likely to happen. China because of performance issues, naval battles and cadet branches due to engine limitations. Wait for CK3, the game is buckling under its own weight as it is.

Playable cadet branches are already moddable.

 

[RelVleDy]

They're going to announce a partnership with George R.R. Martin, giving the fans an official Game of Thrones experience. Preorder now and receive a signed George R.R. Martin tissue box.

 

[Asiak]

I am also nervous.

I know that this game has already had a long development cycle.

But I see potential for more than just 1 or 2 more DLCs. I know there's been negativity on the forums, and I know that this negativity may discourage them from changing core game mechanics.

But this game has so much room for refinement, and expansion that I really reeeeeaaaly hope that this isn't going to be the 'the end of the line is approaching' talk.

Because honestly f*** the haters, so you made a DLC and a good portion of players didn't care for certain parts of it.

That does not mean that other core game mechanics should not be revised, updated or changed as needed.

And really big or small there is more money to be made in this game, more ways for it to be better, to be expanded on, more things to add to this great and beautiful chess game.

I know that Paradox is a company of certain size, with a recently doubled portfolio.

I just really hope that we aren't at the end of the development cycle.

Regardless the others are right, China isn't happening and isn't worth the lag, the engine and our computers just can't handle it.

There isn't that much to work with regarding naval battles for this time period, maybe something regarding simple blockades.

Cadet branches have never been on the top of my list but would be nice. What exactly do you want in the end game?

 

[Dagda]

While it is true none of those things are likely, CK3 is also not going to happen for a long time according to the devs. We can expect more expansions yet, I believe.

Paradox isn't stupid and not making CK3 would be throwing money in the sewer.

PDS game development cycles are usually 2-3ish years so that would slot CK3, assuming development has started since Doom moved off Stellaris, 2019 - 7ish years after its predecessor. The time gap between EU3-4 was about 7 years as well and EU4 was thought as a safe and sure thing.

Otherwise, Doomdark stepping down as Stellaris director after setting the studio record for initial sales doesn't make much sense unless it's a massive slam dunk of an IP that he is passionate about (CK2 is HIS baby afterall). A slam dunk which is exactly what CK3 would be especially if they fix multiplayer stability, late game lag and the chance to market it to a much bigger base.

Of course that doesn't mean CK2 dlc will dry up in the immediate future considering you don't need a massive team/budget for that.

 

[Rationalsanity]

CK3 might be a bit latter than that, if you assume that Stellaris and HOI4 get CK2 length development cycles and Vicky 3 is in the interim.

 

[Dagda]

CK3 might be a bit latter than that, if you assume that Stellaris and HOI4 get CK2 length development cycles and Vicky 3 is in the interim.

Even best case scenario Vicky 3 isn't going to sell that many copies (compared to CK/EU/Stellaris) so I highly doubt a large team would or budget be allocated towards that venture. Besides that Paradox has grown exponentially the past 4-5 years and is financially capable of developing multiple games at once. Now that HOI4 and Stellaris are released I'm sure more than one big project is in the works all things considered.

 

[Rationalsanity]

Even best case scenario Vicky 3 isn't going to sell that many copies (compared to CK/EU/Stellaris) so I highly doubt a large team would or budget be allocated towards that venture. Besides that Paradox has grown exponentially the past 4-5 years and is financially capable of developing multiple games at once. Now that HOI4 and Stellaris are released I'm sure more than one big project is in the works all things considered.

One would think that they could leverage their growing fanbase from CK2/EU4/Stellaris/HOI4 into a larger audience for a new Victoria game. Especially if they streamline the UI...

 

[Dagda]

One would think that they could leverage their growing fanbase from CK2/EU4/Stellaris/HOI4 into a larger audience for a new Victoria game. Especially if they streamline the UI...

I'm sure they could but a streamlined UI isn't going to propel the Vicky series into selling more than the four IP you mentioned. Also, wasn't King the 'Vicky guy' at Paradox? He no longer works for them. V2 was a hardsell to begin with and Johan had to lobby pretty hard to even get that one made.

Point is, it would make no financial sense to put the entire studio on V3. It would get a very small dev team at best.

 

[Pringles VII]

They said they would discuss "the future of CK2". I'm afraid they'll announce there will be no more support for the game after the next DLC, but there's so much room for improvement yet, such as naval battles, cadet branches, the entire endgame (1300+), China, etc.

I need a hug.

I need a hug too. Oh god, they're going to abandon CKII. I picked up the game almost 2 years ago exactly, and I have 1270 hours logged. If they stop supporting CKII, there's going to be a part of myself missing. Seriously. I'm going to drink myself into a stupor and stop showering for at least a week.

...

I don't know what to do.

 

[CVDE]

there's so much room for improvement yet, such as naval battles, cadet branches, the entire endgame (1300+) I need a hug.

 

[RelVleDy]

lol I like how everyone just disrespectfully disagrees with everyone.

 

[Legionary Guard]

lol I like how everyone just disrespectfully disagrees with everyone.

Agreed! And I only disagreed with OP because he mentioned adding China to the game, an idea I hate with the undying passion of a thousand supernovae. :/

 

[RelVleDy]

Agreed! And I only disagreed with OP because he mentioned adding China to the game, an idea I hate with the undying passion of a thousand supernovae. :/

But, China has "flamethrowers," and musou mode!

 

[KlinkerFyren]

Agreed! And I only disagreed with OP because he mentioned adding China to the game, an idea I hate with the undying passion of a thousand supernovae. :/

I am not even sure how one would simulate China's advanced imperial bureaucracy in CK2. Badly I assume. Also there would be far more weirdness in game, like the inevitable Haesteinn-can-into-chinese-emperor or the Pope declaring a crusade for Inner Mongolia.

 

[Helios Panoptes]

But, China has "flamethrowers,"

So does Byzantium and those aren't in the game.

 

[Greybeard0815]

Regarding China
The ultimate argument against it is performance. CK2 has ~1200 provinces right now. China (or rather East Asia in general) would likely add another few hundred. Which in turn means more characters with courts. Which in turn means worse performance.

So does Byzantium and those aren't in the game.

Legacy of Rome has an event chain, that has retrieving the secrets of greek fire as its goal. Hasn't popped for me in a while though and its just flavor. But still its in the game.

I'm sure they could but a streamlined UI isn't going to propel the Vicky series into selling more than the four IP you mentioned. Also, wasn't King the 'Vicky guy' at Paradox? He no longer works for them. V2 was a hardsell to begin with and Johan had to lobby pretty hard to even get that one made.

Point is, it would make no financial sense to put the entire studio on V3. It would get a very small dev team at best.

The Paradox CEO had to shave his head, when he betted against Vicky2 being profitable. If they make it enough people will buy it. And if the original team for Vicky2 was smaller, they still developed a game that was superior to both EU3 and HoI3.

 

[yourworstnightm]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "last expansion" announcement came. I think it would actually be for the best. There's not much else you can do wih CK2, and the last few expansions really haven't been that good.

My guess is that there won't be a "last expansion" announcement, just "a slow down" announcement, i.e. CK 2 will not have a dedicated team anymore, but from time to time they might sporadically make some few updates if time allows (i.e. free patches).