I'm adding cores so fast missionaries can't keep up.

[Spikee78]

And I have 4 of them ...

That's a typical convert job.

I've taken these ideas, including Humanist, so unity is far from a problem. I suppose I could have taken that religion one, but I need my administrative points for coring (and I don't see an immediate need):

What is a problem is that I'm almost non stop clicking the send button. It's all this game ends up being about (not really, but I'm sure you get what I mean).

Anything I can do to speed things up? I don't recall ever seeing the force religion option after battle.

 

[Big Bad France]

If you conquer at a fast pace, you are going to always have land to convert. That said, you can convert a lot faster with religious ideas. I prefer humanist ideas unless you are going for one faith or something, though. Really, as the Ottomans with the humanist group completed, you are perfectly fine just leaving a lot of land unconverted.

Also, your piety in the screenshot is at -100. Your missionaries work better with more piety. You also earn less and tech costs more, so that is a trade off.

 

[Spikee78]

Also, your piety in the screenshot is at -100. Your missionaries work better with more piety. You also earn less and tech costs more, so that is a trade off.

Yep, that latter part is why I want Piety low. Plus the convertion bonus still doesn't make it nearly fast enough, so ... I'm at constant war, often 2, maybe 3 at a time, so I may have incorporated 15+ cores by the time I've converted 4.

If there's no real issue leaving lands unconverted, I'm tempted to reduce strength, so I need to click less.

 

[puddingkip]

If you conquer at a fast pace, you are going to always have land to convert. That said, you can convert a lot faster with religious ideas. I prefer humanist ideas unless you are going for one faith or something, though. Really, as the Ottomans with the humanist group completed, you are perfectly fine just leaving a lot of land unconverted.

Also, your piety in the screenshot is at -100. Your missionaries work better with more piety. You also earn less and tech costs more, so that is a trade off.

If you are going for one faith you especially need humanist, you will have to be at high overextension almost the entire late game so unless you find killing 400 rebels a month any fun, humanist is a must

 

[Vulkandrache]

If you are going for one faith you especially need humanist, you will have to be at high overextension almost the entire late game

No you dont and no you wont.

Humanist has become almost necessecary because you cant really increase autonomy in new landanymore which was the go-to in earlier version.
Just increase LA in every new provinces and get 0 Rebels.

You do not need to stay at over 100 OE ever, even in a WC, One-Tag, One-Faith.

And I have 4 of them

You only have 4 of them.
And you are missing atleast 6% strength aswell.

but I need my administrative points for coring

You have 4 free Diplomats which suggests that you dont have Vassals, otherwise theyd atleast be improving relations.

and I don't see an immediate need

You have done everything i your power to avoid having good conversion throughput.
And you dont have to convert much, Humanist and all that.

Yep, that latter part is why I want Piety low. ... so ... I'm at constant war, often 2, maybe 3 at a time, so I may have incorporated 15+ cores by the time I've converted 4.

The low Piety bonuses blow in comparison to the high. Unless you really dont the the high ones.

Plus the convertion bonus still doesn't make it nearly fast enough

You are converting that province with 4,2% effective. With high Piety it would be 7,2
which would bring the time down to ~14 month from 23.
Add to that religious ideas and you are down to 10 month.
Which is why i find your

That's a typical convert job.

(No, its not.)

I'm almost non stop clicking the send button.

Quite funny.
Two provinces a year is hardly non-stop.
This is:

This is 21 provinces a year converted.

I don't recall ever seeing the force religion option after battle.

Unless you have the "spread the Revolution" CB you can only do that on Heretic Faith on countrys under 100% total warscore.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You have done everything i your power to avoid having good conversion throughput.
And you dont have to convert much, Humanist and all that.

If I wasn't going for 1 faith as Ottos, I'd have gone humanist and just right-clicked that conversion reminder away to save tons of hassle. You don't have to convert ANYTHING once you have it. IMO not even worth since you'll never keep up and thus will need to keep OE below an actually still-high threshold to avoid rebels everywhere instead of just borders.

Assuming high legitimacy (with strengthen government + Ottoman government you should have it) and nothing but humanist, heathen provinces contribute 100% to unity and heretic provinces contribute 75%...there's no possible combination of provinces (including 0 true faith) that would put you below 100% unity and religion would be giving you mostly -3 unrest.

If one goes revolutionary as a nation like this, all provinces give at least 3 tolerance and -2 unrest (from humanist) without exception and you're locked at 125% unity. This is before stab, theologian, temporary decisions, or the -unrest from legitimacy or RT itself. It also ignores policies or a late game 7th idea group dump into plutocratic (from rev republic) for another -2 unrest.

Humanist Ottomans in the late game can easily tank > 160% OE in wrong culture, wrong-religion provinces if they don't have separatism...and like you said they don't have to do so to 1-tag. Definitely the way to go if you value sanity on these runs.

That said, if you do want everything to be Sunni you take religious and swat the resulting rebels in border provinces away. No need for humanist, not with unify Islam and everything at true faith. It's annoying to convert thousands of times but plenty doable...and Christian Ottomans actually convert faster in the late game. Even with rev government losing me a little piety (lots of late game wars so 100% is quickly restored) and DotF missionary 1-faith was only 5 years after 1 tag.

For some religions, heathen tolerance is by far the preferable path (Tengri, Hindu, Fetish, Confucian) as these religions are terrible for conversions and going religious with them would be akin to variant/challenge play.

 

[bly08]

If going the humanist route, a loyal Dhimmi also gives 10% tech cost reduction on top of tax/unrest bonuses in estate controlled provinces.

 

[Vulkandrache]

For some religions, heathen tolerance is by far the preferable path (Tengri, Hindu, Fetish, Confucian) as these religions are terrible for conversions and going religious with them would be akin to variant/challenge play.

Well, i am planing to eventually One-Faith every religion but lets just say i am allready thinking about the intricacies of doing so with a few of them.
As i dont like doing it with the whole rebelsweep the world strategy, but that might be necessary with some.

Even Nahuatl was quite enjoyable in the end.
My tries with Shinto turned out much worse to the point where i threw it away out of sheer frustration about how shit that religion is.


Nowadays i usually go Humanist as fifth group, shortly after 1600.
But i cant be arsed playing without Religious, i just dont want to fabricate claims on every mini target i want to attack and i dont like paying Dip for provinces.
So either i play a Horde, the Ottomans or i go Religious within the first 3 groups.

 

[Dominion]

Just release religious vassals and have them convert everything for you.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

But i cant be arsed playing without Religious, i just dont want to fabricate claims on every mini target i want to attack and i dont like paying Dip for provinces.
So either i play a Horde, the Ottomans or i go Religious within the first 3 groups.

I agree that's annoying. Influence makes it doable but still.

Just release religious vassals and have them convert everything for you.

For many religions (Sikh, Fetish, all generic pagans, Tengri, Hindu) it's pretty ineffective. AI conversions are unreliable in general, but these guys in particular will frequently not manage to take any decisions that give any missionary strength. Christians take their decisions and Islam has the ruler decisions + piety, so they fare a little better. Eastern takes enforced heritage if not Confucian (and doing massed conversion with Confucian is nonsense anyway) so they can at least do a little.

 

[CplKatie]

His achievements are greyed out so One faith is pointless.

 

[bbqftw]

Well, i am planing to eventually One-Faith every religion but lets just say i am allready thinking about the intricacies of doing so with a few of them.
As i dont like doing it with the whole rebelsweep the world strategy, but that might be necessary with some.

Even Nahuatl was quite enjoyable in the end.
My tries with Shinto turned out much worse to the point where i threw it away out of sheer frustration about how shit that religion is.


Nowadays i usually go Humanist as fifth group, shortly after 1600.
But i cant be arsed playing without Religious, i just dont want to fabricate claims on every mini target i want to attack and i dont like paying Dip for provinces.
So either i play a Horde, the Ottomans or i go Religious within the first 3 groups.

if you hate Shinto, I hope you have Tengri done already or you will uninstall

honestly I was pleasantly surprised by Shinto. Sure its still garbage, but there are some neat bonuses to some of the event chains.

But yeah if you want conversion throughput on an industrial scale you have to use vassals, as horrible as it is. Luckily we have divert trade so we can still pull a profit

 

[Vulkandrache]

if you hate Shinto, I hope you have Tengri done already or you will uninstall

I expect Tengri will be a quasi exploit fiesta only surpassed by Confucian.

Sure its still garbage, but there are some neat bonuses to some of the event chains.

I dont exactly know what you mean about event chains but the "mechanic" with the incidents should be illegal under Geneva.
To date its the first and only religion in the game which gave me pure frustration.

But yeah if you want conversion throughput on an industrial scale you have to use vassals, as horrible as it is

Initialy i thought: "Hey, Shogunate is awesome. I get unlimited Vassals for conversion and shit.
Then i noticed you cant even enforce religion on new Daimyos.

I was pleasantly surprised

Pleasently surprised i was by Vajrayana. I expect all three Buddhist to be the same so i might check them all after finishing my current game.

Trying to keep Karma in the middle adds some actual gameplay into the religion, as opposed to most of them where the mechanics are no-brainers.
Even my favorite Coptic, strong as it might be, is very one dimensional.
Get Holy sites, get bonus.

Vajrayana not only has 2 Holy sites for extra dudes, which is highly unusual outside of Christian and Muslim. Those Sites are very close to the starting position.
The Missionary strength from decisions is high and you get extra TotF aswell.

Ontop of that not paying Dip for releasing countrys and returning cores makes these actually useable
and returning cores to Vassals still gives Karma back.

 

[Dominion]

AI conversions are unreliable in general

I don't know where you're getting this from. Older patches? Am I misinterpreting "unreliable"?
Atm vassals are horrible at almost everything, but conversions work normally.
If they have a positive value they start converting a province.

Only thing that can get in the way are high tolerance, making Asia one of my most despised areas (India... *shudders*), but generally speaking they aren't unreliable at all.
I've even had Macina convert all of West Africa and they have no inherent missionary strength or anything of value actually.
Makes me wonder why I released them in the first place. Guess I liked their color.

But I'm getting off track here, point is you know exactly which vassals are converting and which aren't and those who are do it reliably.

 

[Larva]

Offtop, but why are you collecting in Crimea and Alexandria?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I don't know where you're getting this from. Older patches? Am I misinterpreting "unreliable"?
Atm vassals are horrible at almost everything, but conversions work normally.
If they have a positive value they start converting a province.

Only thing that can get in the way are high tolerance, making Asia one of my most despised areas (India... *shudders*), but generally speaking they aren't unreliable at all.
I've even had Macina convert all of West Africa and they have no inherent missionary strength or anything of value actually.
Makes me wonder why I released them in the first place. Guess I liked their color.

But I'm getting off track here, point is you know exactly which vassals are converting and which aren't and those who are do it reliably.

If vassals go negative stab, they take an eternity to core. Vassals will never convert provinces without a core. Same for bankrupt ones.

And yes watching the AI convert with just enforce unity edict (for massive debt gogo) and nothing else but that, maybe divine supremacy, and base strength is an exercise in frustration. Colonial nations are a little better despite lacking religious since they get 2% in NI.

 

[Dominion]

Maybe you're using bigger vassals than me. I usually integrate them rather fast. Somewhere around 300 dev max. Most of the time I do it around 150. And at that size they core and convert perfectly.

I don't see the point in overfeeding them if there's this artificial ceiling where they just crash and spiral into oblivion. I know it's annoying, but one's gotta adapt.

No reason to frustrate yourself. Just play in 60% mode. Since that's about the amount of systems functioning properly.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

If you don't pay debt, they can bankrupt never going > 100% OE and never going > 100 dev. Not usually but it happens sometimes.

Horde vassals are trash.

 

[Dominion]

Horde nations are thrash in general under AI control. Had a 400 dev Kazan in my Uncommonwealth run because for once Muscovy didn't get to eat the east and I wasn't interested in it either.
Collapsed to three different types of rebels in barely a decade and chained bankruptcies like they're lines of cocaine. If you ever release a Horde as a vassal and don't correct your mistake immediately by breaking them off followed by a no-cb to eradicate your failure you got no one to blame but yourself.

Well, maybe yourself and the fact that there's no Horde specific AI. Either way, releasing them is like trying to cut your nails but cutting off your arm instead.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Unfortunately, they're the only nations that take religious in some areas .