I'm about to toss every single spitfire in the trash.
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way to grab one point and be willfully ignorant of the rest.
the Bf109 live (and die) on its high power to weight ratio and light weight, but its engine, while light and small, wasn't that powerful. The engine on the bf109 g-6 s probably the least powerful of all the non-recon aircraft presented in the game, but at the same time the bf109 is also the lightest of all the non-recon aircraft in the game.
and for the record, I don't consider the spitfire mk 9 and mustang to be good ground attack either.
modern jet is different since modern jet engine are significantly more powerful than ww2 piston engine. The advancement in aircraft munition since ww2 is also more about precision and guidance than raw destructive power, and munition weight has essentially gotten heavier to suit the more powerful engine
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Actually something funny is. The 109 in game is too fast for even it's clean version.
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/Bf_109_G-1_Kennblatt_Flugleistungen.jpg
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/me109g6-tactical.html
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/Bf_109_G-1_Kennblatt_Flugleistungen.jpg
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/me109g6-tactical.html
For sake of "balance" I can see 109 fighter being on par with its allied fighters. But the 109 with rocket pods needs a small speed nerf. They should not be able to fly the same speed as a spitfire fighter.
Did you miss my post? G6 was apparently still at 1.3 ata in 1944. Which makes it mind numbingly slow especially with gun pods or br 21 rockets. Even if it got pushed to 1.4 it would still be too fast for this game. Some planes are close to historic speeds but the 109 isn't one of them.
Why are people even arguing about speeds and turn rates and such when all of it is literally arbitrarily drawn up for flavor, asymmetrical balance, and balance.
speed, turn rate, and firepower are to airplane what pen and armor are to a tank. Giving the german access to airplane is already a huge balance concession.
would have been interesting but even harder to make a fair game with out german aircrafts. because the display of aa is pretty historical. they can not shoot down planes at all but than axis would be no fun because you would have to fight planes you can not kill (or just with a lot of luck).
I don't think you get what I posted. I was criticizing the comparisons being made from real life into the game. Those speeds on almost all planes, the turn rates, and all that junk are all fucked up. There is no historical parallel. The reason why planes are the way they are right now is because of those three reasons I noted previously.
They should've made some attempt to model the deficiencies of the German military in 1944.
They did a good job with the Allies, really they did. My only complaints about the decks are that they don't scale properly with availability and veterancy when compared to the Germans, but that is a problem with the German decks. Overall the stats of the various units are pretty close to good across the board, but again, when you remove every single deficiency from the German decks that they historically had, you get a very one-sided game.
And no this is not me bitching. I win just fine using Allies or Axis. This is the culmination of complaints from friends of mine. The Germans are simply better across the board and more fun to play as because they get all of their cool toys and they even come with veterancy and you don't need to worry about any of the problems that plagued Germany in 1944.
So what you have is a game with historical unit stats being used in an utterly fanciful scenario.
I for one had hoped that they would have come out with a strictly historical setting which would have been truly unique in gaming. And I don't think the Axis would have been uncompetitive. They bled the Allies white in Normandy after all (a quarter million casualties in 2 months).
Ultimately I just think Eugen made a pretty unimaginative title that sought to port a lot over from Wargame but ended up delivering many of Wargame's problems while not offering up a whole lot of ingenuity in terms of new features. It feels like a garbled mess.
But I'm probably just sour that every game I play lately is a 4 person stack on Axis while I get saddled with 3 noobs on Allies and 2 of them quit 15 minutes in. I should probably just surrender to Nerdfish and Tankgirl and start playing derp decks in 10v10 Carpiquet. Maybe even play destruction. That'll be fun.
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Give the allies the 1st Infantry division (Big Red One). They were probably the most experience US division prior to D-DAY.
They should've made some attempt to model the deficiencies of the German military in 1944.
They did a good job with the Allies, really they did. My only complaints about the decks are that they don't scale properly with availability and veterancy when compared to the Germans, but that is a problem with the German decks. Overall the stats of the various units are pretty close to good across the board, but again, when you remove every single deficiency from the German decks that they historically had, you get a very one-sided game.
And no this is not me bitching. I win just fine using Allies or Axis. This is the culmination of complaints from friends of mine. The Germans are simply better across the board and more fun to play as because they get all of their cool toys and they even come with veterancy and you don't need to worry about any of the problems that plagued Germany in 1944.
So what you have is a game with historical unit stats being used in an utterly fanciful scenario.
I for one had hoped that they would have come out with a strictly historical setting which would have been truly unique in gaming. And I don't think the Axis would have been uncompetitive. They bled the Allies white in Normandy after all (a quarter million casualties in 2 months).
Ultimately I just think Eugen made a pretty unimaginative title that sought to port a lot over from Wargame but ended up delivering many of Wargame's problems while not offering up a whole lot of ingenuity in terms of new features. It feels like a garbled mess.
But I'm probably just sour that every game I play lately is a 4 person stack on Axis while I get saddled with 3 noobs on Allies and 2 of them quit 15 minutes in. I should probably just surrender to Nerdfish and Tankgirl and start playing derp decks in 10v10 Carpiquet. Maybe even play destruction. That'll be fun.
yeah but some german divisions like the airbornes would have some trouble with out airsupport or really low airsupport. But I think you are right they should have made them a bit more historical and different from the allies.
Regardless of some of the short comings of this game, I still find it one of the best strategy games I have played. Just fighting over these maps that I know are as close to the real thing as they could get (aerial photosgraphs) is just pure awesome.
Then we can also conclude the RAF was perhaps the most inept bunch in ww2, unable to defeat a token German fighter arm over France from 41 to 43...relying mostly on 109s.
No, it wasnt obsolete, this myth is getting really boring, comparable to the "5 Shermans to 1 Tiger" myth...the 109 got a complete overhaul with the F variant, and the E was equal, if not better than early Spits...the late war K4 was a superb interceptor.
All of the aircraft in this game have nothing in common with the real ones , except the weapon loadout.
PS the 190 was built because it had great performance and used a different engine than the 109, it had nothing to do with the Spit.
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The K was garbage compared to other 1945 fighters.
The epitome of the 109 was the F series. Everything after that was just getting worse (comparatively obviously a 109k will beat a 109 F). The 109 was not up to par past 1942 as a frontline fighter and really should have been replaced by the 190.
Well i can write the spitfire is also garbage, doesnt change the fact it wasnt...btw the 190 wasnt good above 7000 meters...the K 4 appeared in late 44...
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The spitfire was remade in 1944 to become the best fighter of ww2 known as the mk 14. Also the mk9 is capable of beating a 109k and the mk9 is from much earlier