Ikko-Ikki

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I think the ikko ikki respawn rates and supported size are because their rebellion is everyone, peasants included not just the trained ashigaru. How do they have a crossing river penalty if you're the one attacking them? The strongholds also have a +200% defense bonus modifier, so I spam ninjas on the province to make it easier to take out.

 

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I think the ikko ikki respawn rates and supported size are because their rebellion is everyone, peasants included not just the trained ashigaru. How do they have a crossing river penalty if you're the one attacking them? The strongholds also have a +200% defense bonus modifier, so I spam ninjas on the province to make it easier to take out.

Hi piccolohl, perhaps i wasn't too clear on the point regarding the river crossing. When i said the Ikko Ikki had a river crossing on their side, i meant that they had a river on their side that my army had to cross.

Regarding the other points:
1) My bug is about the Ikko Ikki being able to summon at least 4000men in a month and do it immediately after every attack, almost endlessly and that they are able to win 100% of the time after having received waves of multiple attacks from armies outnumbering them.

2) If they were able to summon that many people, that fast, endlessly, then that would mean that there is no limit on the population levels in that province. It implies that there is an endless supply of able bodied fighting men and women.

3) Like you said, a component of this rebel army consists of peasants and against multiple armies of samurai cavalry and ashigaru that outnumber them(many waves), you'd think that their numbers would whither down somewhat. Nope, the army respawned its own reinforcements and brought its numbers back to the original, right after your samurai and ashigaru retreated across the river.

I don't know about you, but i find it really weird.

 

[Captain Gars]

Captain Gars, I have this problem with Ikko Ikki:

They had settled down in one of my kuni and they have 23k plus infantry. I raised all the levies in my clan (about 30 to 40k ashigaru and samurai cavalry) and i was defeated with 4000 Ikko Ikki dead and 32000 Ashigaru and Samurai dead on my end. I think the odds are quite crazy here. Unless they are superhumans, have exceptionally good terrain, have firearms (which they don't) and a really great commander, the numbers just didn't make sense.

Not satisfied, i raised my clan-wide levy again, managed to amass 30,000 men but before i can get there, the Ikko Ikki miraculously have 23k men again.

There's a few problems:
1) The respawn rate is simply too fast. They will always have 23k men no matter how many times i re-raise levy, attack and repeat again. The game makes it impossible to remove them from that province even if i have 100k men.
2) The province they are in cannot possibly support that many men. Its unrealistic and counter-immersive. This is a game killer for me.
3) My commander has a higher martial rating, much more men, have samurai cavalry. The other side has a river crossing and a lower martial rating and has an army that comprises of only infantry.

Please help, thanks.

If you get that sort of casualties it sounds like you're doing something wrong. When you've raised your levies, do you attack immediately or do you wait for your morale to reach 100% first? When you raise a levy unit it only has about 40% of its morale and attacking in such conditions is quite bad.

 

[Checco]

I found an effective way to get rid of huge Ikko-Ikki stacks, and in short is called 'prevent them from refill their ranks'. Do as follows:

-Raise levies to gain at least a total of 1.5 to 2 times their numbers
-Split them into several stacks of 10-12k depending on the enemy numbers (you should always have a number greater than 10k)
-Put all your divided stacks onto province bordering the Ikko-Ikki
-Engage, carefully, one stack, as soon as you are about to have it wiped out make him retreat and move the 2nd stack and make sure it arrives before the end of the month.
-Engage with all stacks, when the last one has been forced to retreat, send again the 1st, that should have recovered morale if not numbers.
-Rinse and repeat the engagements.

Basically, all you are doing is to 'defeat them thanks to low morale'. If you never allow them to begin a new month while not fighting, they will not gain troops and will not gain morale, meaning that after 2-3 engagements they will do no damage.

The '10k' minimum is to make sure you always cover all the front line and make all of them lose morale and become 'unfilled' single infantry units (only the front line fights, so you have to make sure they cannot always field a full line with full numbers and morale).

Being all infantry, every shock phase is where you see if you are effectively lowering their numbers, as they have no cavalry (a good general leading a late engagement with a lot of cavs will make wonders, ofc).

Good luck, lemme know how it turns out .