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Would you have dropped the A-bomb. (pretend you dont know what you know now)..

For me the obvious answer is yes. I value the 750,000 american lies that would have been lost in an invasion.

Actually come to think of it, since I wouldn't know about all the radiation I would have dumped 12 nukes on the USSR to top it off...
 

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Don't forget the 5 million estimated Japanese lives that would have been lost when the Allies invaded the home islands. I would have done it, too.
 

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Yes, rather that and force a surrender than end up splitting Japan with Stalin.
 
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as I recal US and Russia had an agreement, for the USSR's help in taking out Japan they would get Eastern Europe and North Korea as areas to occupy (West promised not to interfere with whatever Russia did in these areas), and would be allowed to take outright the Kuril Islands (Japan still has claims on the Southern Kurils) and Southern Sakhalin.
Japan would fall under the US in this agreement (with South Korea).

Because the Soviets did declare war on Japan, this agreement was carried out. There was no risk of losing Japan to Soviet control.

And no, I wouldn't, I think the Allies, after taking back what Japan had taken, just needed to starve Japan out (and they thought the radiation would be much worse then it actually was, probably because they tested it in the flat desserts and dropped the bombs in the mountains). I'll admit, my opinion here probably is somewhat biased from my visit to Horoshima.
 

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Considering the fact that almost unciontested allied raids against German and Japanese cities had been killing ten's of thousands, i don't think i would have been to wooried about more deaths of japanese civilians from these bombs. having to keep co-operating with stalin and Russian troops in Japan was not something i would have wanted considering she had already got east Europe, and remember that the US beleived the USSR to be stronger than she was. i wouldn't have been aware that she was exhausted. the demonstration if this weapon would show Stalin who was to real power now and deter possible soviet agression into western Europe.

I would havwe dropped the bomb in the circiumsatnces truman was in. With hindsight it is easy to say he shouldn't .
 

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The weird thing about this particular debate is that, as we all know, it's fashionable for western revisionist historians to assert that Truman should never have dropped the bomb, and *certainly* not two of them.

The irony is though that we're now seeing a school of revisionist Japanese historians who assert that, absent the bomb, Japan would never have managed to surrender.

For better or for worse, the whole Truman Bomb question is going to have very strong political overtones for another few generations.
 

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I see it was unneccesry to drop the bomb. I understand we wopuld have lost close to a million and Japan 5 mil. And it would likely have meant that the soviets get more of the Japanese Empire than they should have BUT:

We were taking an etremely hardline stance agianst Japan. They were offering an actual surrender. Not just a ceasefire or something. They wanted to end the war. They just wanted to end it with some of their dignity still left. They would give up nearly all their Empire, reduce the size of their military, sign a non agression treaty, etc, etc, etc. While there were some in the Japanese gov't that opposed this route, it was becoming increasingly more popular and it was supported by Hirohito and some close advisors.

Unfortunetly, the allies wanted nothing to do with anything less than complete victory and humiliating the Japanese. So when the Japanese submitted a formal offer of surrender, the allies didnt respond. Instead they ignored it until the little conference in Berlin(i believe) that decided that the atom bom must be used. Within a couple days the bomb was dropped and soon the war was over.

I believe this how of strength intimidated the Soviets, and it showed that the west was unwilling to negotiate. Thus it was all or nothing and Soviets were not about to lose.

If we had accepted a peace that was just shy of complete victory, we would not have killed the hundreds of thousands of Japanese we did, nuclear weapons may not have even gona any further that they already were, the cold war may not have even happened or at least was not as severe as it was, and the US wouldnt need to worry about all the nuclear proliferation issues that we have now.

So on one hand there is a slightly less satisfactory peace than we wanted and a nice peaceful world to come (or so it sounds that it would be)or a complete victory with a not so peaceful world to come.
 
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I dont realy see why it was needed to drop the bombs.
Japan: "We will surrender but we keep our emepror!"
USA: "NO!" *drops two nukes*
Japan: "We surrender"
USA: "Ok. Keep your emperor"
 

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We were under no obligation to negotiate with a monstrous genocidal regime that killed millions in China and Southeast Asia while using chemical and biological weapons and attempted to unleash them upon the US.
 
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Especialy when we agreed to their demands!
 
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i would have persuaded Russians to attack Japan, then when they both would be dead. I would nuke Moscow and conquer world.
 

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Originally posted by Kyujuni
as I recal US and Russia had an agreement, for the USSR's help in taking out Japan

Yes and the Soviets also had an agreement with the allies that democracy would be established in Eastern Europe. History showed Truman by that point that Stalin wasn't a trustworthy partner.
 

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Originally posted by AlexanderG
Especialy when we agreed to their demands!

Because it suited us in the growing cold war.
 

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Incidentally, the Russians came within 1 day of invading Hokkaido, a full two months before the US was ready for Olympic. This would have been disastrous for a future application of the Truman Doctrine, and would have increased the tensions caused by the 'Iron Curtain' in Europe.

Yes, I would have dropped the bomb, especially given that the Russians were within literally hours of invading mainland Japan, when 'I' told them to stop.

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Would I? Hell yeah. 1945. The bitterness of Pearl Harbour and the other battles. You can believe I would not have shead a tear for anyone over in Japan.

I can't see one good political/miltary reason to have not dropped the bomb. No one in America cared. Non of the Allies cared.

The only reason its viewed poorly now is we have had 50 years of the fear of the bomb to live with now.
 
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Incidentally, the Russians came within 1 day of invading Hokkaido
Thats bull.
The Russians didnt have the landing craft to do this. Unless they were going to wade theri ass's over from Korea they werent going to do jack.
 

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Originally posted by AlexanderG
Thats bull.
The Russians didnt have the landing craft to do this. Unless they were going to wade theri ass's over from Korea they werent going to do jack.
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AlexanderG: Do you actually know anything about this, or are you just being vocal? The Russians had quite the fleet over in the Far East, with some cruisers, destroyers, and a number of landing craft. Their plan was not the same kind of amphibious invasion we think of today, as many of the troops would have had to swim or wade ashore from about 120-150 yards offshore.

Look it up if you don't believe me.

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