if someone has a plot to kill either the king, duke, count, or his family, they should be able to suffer the death penalty without tyranny, they should expect no less, thoughts?
If you plot against royal family i will disembowel and hang you before quartering you
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I expected a very different subject when I clicked this topic.
Still, that makes historical sense. To an extent. In my opinion, say, Baronry should lose a little respect doing it, but the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire or the Pope really shouldn't be blamed for hanging someone attempting to turn Europe upside down.
Still, that makes historical sense. To an extent. In my opinion, say, Baronry should lose a little respect doing it, but the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire or the Pope really shouldn't be blamed for hanging someone attempting to turn Europe upside down.
I think this has been discussed in some detail before a few times, though I can't be arsed to dig it up.
I'm rather in agreement though. You CAN execute an excommunicated prisoner without tyranny, and I'd think people'd be rather more understanding about offing someone as tried to blow you up with a manure-trap.
I'm rather in agreement though. You CAN execute an excommunicated prisoner without tyranny, and I'd think people'd be rather more understanding about offing someone as tried to blow you up with a manure-trap.
If they're courtiers, yes, I absolutely agree, we should be able to do more to them justice-wise (they're not high nobility). Landed nobles should keep the protections they have, because the other nobles don't want to see themselves get hit the same way. But they shouldn't care when some lunatic courtier tries to murder the Queen, they'd probably all gather to watch the spectacle of him being beheaded.
Yeah maybe nobles could go through a trial or parliament to determine punishment, but if the king has alot of power it's obviously just gooing to be for show...but yea this random 60 year old plotted to kill the king, he attempted and failed his plot, and I think no one should be surprized when i torture and kill him.
Perhaps a good idea is that the tyranny malus is temporary (like 10 years) and applies to all vassals that are of the same rank or lower.
I started a similarly themed post a while back, but sadly no interest from the developers.http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...uest-for-an-option-to-execute-murderers/page5
Essencially I agree that there should be at least some penalty.
Essencially I agree that there should be at least some penalty.
hopefully they catch on with enough people voicing their opinion over a period of time.
imo, if someone is caught assassinating your direct relatives, you can
A. if you are the top liege, execute him
B. if you arent, petition your liege for permission
if you got proof, noone will hate you, and it wont cost piety. only the direct relatives of the executed will hate you(-50 for killed father ect.), unless they hate him as well. if your liege gives permission(could also have an option: isnt that a tad harsh? which only imprisons him and an option that banishes him and splits lands between him and and petitioner). banishing gives most dislike(-10 with everyone, -50 with direct family of banished), imprisoning least(-10 with direct family of imprisoned), killing is the middle ground(-20 with direct family). the liege gets half of that opinion modifier. you can only pettition your liege if you are either the same or higher rank, or one rank lowe rand +500 prestige.
at leats, thats how i'd liek to see it.
A. if you are the top liege, execute him
B. if you arent, petition your liege for permission
if you got proof, noone will hate you, and it wont cost piety. only the direct relatives of the executed will hate you(-50 for killed father ect.), unless they hate him as well. if your liege gives permission(could also have an option: isnt that a tad harsh? which only imprisons him and an option that banishes him and splits lands between him and and petitioner). banishing gives most dislike(-10 with everyone, -50 with direct family of banished), imprisoning least(-10 with direct family of imprisoned), killing is the middle ground(-20 with direct family). the liege gets half of that opinion modifier. you can only pettition your liege if you are either the same or higher rank, or one rank lowe rand +500 prestige.
at leats, thats how i'd liek to see it.
YA this has been brought up many times before. The biggest issue at the moment is the lack of "concept of proof". When you are told someone is plotting against you , is it your spymasters word? or does your spymaster have evidence you could then take to other nobility to justify a war for the plotters heads. IF that can be determined , then the other factors need to be considered.
Usually one thing everyone agree's on is that lower nobility should be executable in such a situation without any tyranny charge.
However there is always some debate about whether the landed nobility should be subject to the same punishments. As I mentioned in another one of these threads ;
The following is all relevant. It seems that its not unrealistic to expect even landed nobility to suffer execution if caught. However a war would be inevitable (a landed member isn't likely to lay down their arms and willingly be executed , but its possible I guess). In either case , when a landed member of nobility was punished with execution , there was a trial before hand. Sometimes they were kangaroo courts , and the verdict was pre-determined by the Ruler enacting the justice. However regardless of this , it wasn't seen as tyrannical.
Usually one thing everyone agree's on is that lower nobility should be executable in such a situation without any tyranny charge.
However there is always some debate about whether the landed nobility should be subject to the same punishments. As I mentioned in another one of these threads ;
The following is all relevant. It seems that its not unrealistic to expect even landed nobility to suffer execution if caught. However a war would be inevitable (a landed member isn't likely to lay down their arms and willingly be executed , but its possible I guess). In either case , when a landed member of nobility was punished with execution , there was a trial before hand. Sometimes they were kangaroo courts , and the verdict was pre-determined by the Ruler enacting the justice. However regardless of this , it wasn't seen as tyrannical.
Yes, the problem now is that its not clear the spymaster's 'proof' would be strong enough to convince everybody that it isn't just the king getting rid if a potential rival. That said, courtiers, especially known crazy ones shouldn't arouse the same reaction.
By the same token, raising the standard of revolt (faction independence, or alternate claimant to throne) should also cost you your head without tyranny.
By the same token, raising the standard of revolt (faction independence, or alternate claimant to throne) should also cost you your head without tyranny.