As you know, a lot of dynastic names are essentially "of Placename", or the cultural equivalent where German speaking cultures have "von Placename", etc.
CK2 uses this to generate dynamic dynastic names for cultures that are not named after their founder (e.g. Muslim dynasties, like the Abbasid being named after Muhammad's maternal uncle Abbas ibn Abdul-Muttalib), especially in the areas with few to no historical "dynasties" as such.
One such region is Estonia. The problem is the word "of". There is no such word in Estonian, nor is there any equivalent. For whatever unknown reason, CK2 currently uses the word "kohta" where other languages would use "of" in a dynastic name, e.g. "Kaupo kohta Kalevan".
"Kohta" is not "of" in Estonian. Not even close. Estonian as a language uses declension to denote genitive/possessive cases. Now, this is obviously next to impossible to implement in a dynamic form into a game like CK2 - you'd have to modify the actual county name the character is from when used for their dynasty, in a way that makes grammatical sense based on the end of the name.
But the current implementation is just factually, objectively, wrong. "Kohta" is the partitive case of the word "koht", which means "place". Used in this form, it roughly means "with regards to"... but it needs to come AFTER the word it refers to, not before. So no, not even in the most technical or pedantic sense does this work, at all.
So, what would be a good solution and alternative? Just don't put anything there. This would result in the name "Kaupo kohta Kalevan" becoming "Kaupo Kalevan", coming off as a regular modern-style last name. Now, pre-Christianity Estonians didn't have family names per se, but neither did they really have royal dynasties, so no loss in accuracy there. This is the solution I myself use when I edit the Dynasty name of like 80% of my courtiers manually. Every time I play as an Estonian ruler. Such a pain.
Alternatively just use the english "of" or something.
Please fix this so I don't have to scour my courtiers for new wrongly named dynasties every few decades. Please. It's even worse when forming a Merchant Republic, somehow.
CK2 uses this to generate dynamic dynastic names for cultures that are not named after their founder (e.g. Muslim dynasties, like the Abbasid being named after Muhammad's maternal uncle Abbas ibn Abdul-Muttalib), especially in the areas with few to no historical "dynasties" as such.
One such region is Estonia. The problem is the word "of". There is no such word in Estonian, nor is there any equivalent. For whatever unknown reason, CK2 currently uses the word "kohta" where other languages would use "of" in a dynastic name, e.g. "Kaupo kohta Kalevan".
"Kohta" is not "of" in Estonian. Not even close. Estonian as a language uses declension to denote genitive/possessive cases. Now, this is obviously next to impossible to implement in a dynamic form into a game like CK2 - you'd have to modify the actual county name the character is from when used for their dynasty, in a way that makes grammatical sense based on the end of the name.
But the current implementation is just factually, objectively, wrong. "Kohta" is the partitive case of the word "koht", which means "place". Used in this form, it roughly means "with regards to"... but it needs to come AFTER the word it refers to, not before. So no, not even in the most technical or pedantic sense does this work, at all.
So, what would be a good solution and alternative? Just don't put anything there. This would result in the name "Kaupo kohta Kalevan" becoming "Kaupo Kalevan", coming off as a regular modern-style last name. Now, pre-Christianity Estonians didn't have family names per se, but neither did they really have royal dynasties, so no loss in accuracy there. This is the solution I myself use when I edit the Dynasty name of like 80% of my courtiers manually. Every time I play as an Estonian ruler. Such a pain.
Alternatively just use the english "of" or something.
Please fix this so I don't have to scour my courtiers for new wrongly named dynasties every few decades. Please. It's even worse when forming a Merchant Republic, somehow.
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