if we can name the heir....

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can we name Heir a outsider? well; somone will ask...
why?

well; i have ONE example; (but i'm not 100% sure of that; say 75%)


Jaume I of aragon;after conquering the balearic islands; the ruler of "valencia" (forgot his name) had a huge revolt in his lands; and lost the power; then; he asked a interview with Jaume I and asked for help; Jaume I was having some trouble with the balearic islands; and really wasn't interessed with it; so the valencian ruler used his last card; he offered to jaume I to become his heir; so then Jaume I was really interested and helped him;so when the Valencia ruler died; he could claim the valencia kingdom!!!!!

(hey; it was a kingdom itself; so Jaume I had three kingdoms then.. (aragon;valencia and cataluña) why when he conquered it; it will remain as a kingdom in his hands?)

it will be possible in the game?

(note; i'm searching documentation about this;

"In 1229 Abu Zayd entered into an alliance with James, by which the King was to keep in vassalage all he could conquer from Zayyan plus a fourth of Valencia's general revenues. James imposed a second agreement in January 1232, reducing Abu Zayd to little more than a puppet of the Christians. By this time the King had embarked on his crusade against Valencia. In 1236 he convened a parliament at Monzón to formalise the crusade again, to rally all his resources, and to begin his drive to take Valencia's capital. "


1232, january 30 :

second traty in Teruel of vasallilitzation and protection
with Abú Zayd and Jaime I, When Abú Zayd give ALL RIGHTS
(sound to me that he nammed Jaume I his heir...) over valencia. with that; abu Zayd became a feudal knight in a catholic world, (his basptism name; "vicente Bellvís") and he became the ruler of a little Feudal state; wich passed over his descendants....

 

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I think this would be a horrible idea for gameplay reasons. Because when the king (duke, whatever) dies you continue as his heir. If you could name just anyone as heir, what's to stop you from naming the strongest monarch around. Then everytime the king died you'd gain more and more land until poof! You control the whole map. Sort of a reverse annexation. I assume you'll have to choose your heir from your court. Now if you name your children, thats something else

 

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Originally posted by roachclip76
........ I assume you'll have to choose your heir from your court. Now if you name your children, thats something else

If you don't name your children, assuming you have some, then you might be in for trouble because the children are likely to fight for the throne - as well as brothers and uncles...

 

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I beleive that choosing anyoen but the first born son should be possible but carry some concequences if at all possible. No, I'm not being Chauvinistic Just that it was rather odd to skip the line of ascention in those days and doing so casued problems

 

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I think that having name an outsider as heir should occur through events only, rest of it is that the oldest son should get throne automatically unless u name the other and kill the rest like Richard III with his nephews.

 

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Originally posted by Zhai
I think that having name an outsider as heir should occur through events only, rest of it is that the oldest son should get throne automatically unless u name the other and kill the rest like Richard III with his nephews.

Anyway, you couldn't simply designate anyone as an heir.

You must force yourselves to conceive that in the Middle Ages, a state is merely a possession, an extension from the monarch's political body. There is no "outside", no frontiers except the limits of temporal control over a country. Kindgoms, lands are physical, personal property of lords, nothing more nothing less. So usually, the royal heir, as any heir, must have a reasonable and legetimate claim to this property. If he is from outside the land he will be judged by the mutual history of his ancestors. But forget any thing about "nationalism" or even "proto-nationalism".

Example, French vassals didn't oppose Edward III's claim to the Crown of Saint Louis solely because he was an Englishman, as he was as much a French by his mother Isabelle of France as his uncle Louis X, as King of Navarre, was a Navarrois by his mother Blanche of Navarre. But because it would give the kingdom to ancient enemies, to people they and their ancestors had fought times and times again, so most of them refused and chose Philippe of Valois as Regent, then King of France.

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