If releasing a vassals with a religion is WAD, it is wrong

[windwalker14]

I just conquered some land and released a province I just converted to Catholic to create the nation of Astrakhan from the province of Sarai.

The OPM starts the province is Catholic with the state religion being Sunni. Please dont tell me this is WAD.

 

[knoddy]

WAD - as of yet in spite of several threads there has been no posts from paradox about WHY they changed this, apparently it was too cheese to let your vassals convert land for you.

would all be ok if you could ask your vassal to convert to your religion via subject interaction, which you can, ONLY if they are part of your religious group.....

 

[bbqftw]

rest in peace hindu najd

 

[windwalker14]

I understand except for the fact I can conquer a one province nation and force it to change its religion and release it as a vassal. I did this to Theodora this game. The difference is ??????

 

[happymix91]

Why the greatest orthodox nation, Byzantine empire, should be Sunni nation? There are many minor religions at converted provinces. Released nations should follow their own religion as there are some people who still believe their own, and they lead that nation.

You can make whatever you want if you reach certain tech with client nation, but before that, you are not able to convert a nation's religion except among same religous group as long as you release nations with their own name and flag. It is realistic and reasonable.

 

[Camtheman]

Yep yet another garbage change in Common Sense. I suppose it was to nerf vassal feeding further to make it on par with the insane coring costs, since diploannexing is cheaper than coring iirc.

 

[PeterHe]

Its BS.
the nation dosnt exist, anymore and you are going to release it as your vasal so what do you do?
You of course chose someone from another faith who think your gods forforsaken heathens and who hate you becouse of it to run it from you, even better if you converted said provinces so the entire nation has your religion but you still chose some heathens to run it for you. yea that certainly is common sense

 

[happymix91]

Its BS.
the nation dosnt exist, anymore and you are going to release it as your vasal so what do you do?
You of course chose someone from another faith who think your gods forforsaken heathens and who hate you becouse of it to run it from you, even better if you converted said provinces so the entire nation has your religion but you still chose some heathens to run it for you. yea that certainly is common sense

If the nation is gone forever, how can you release it? You can release it because there are some people who still think they are people of that nation, and they should believe their own religion.

If you want to make what you want, wait for technology allows you to do. Don't you know difference between vassal from once existed nation and client state which is created from none?

The nation can be released as there are some people who can consist it, so the released nation should follow their own lifestyle. Yeah it is certainly common sense.

 

[Ozy Mandias]

The only sense I can make of this is when you release a crusader state from the Ottomans. It makes no sense for a Crusader State to be released as a Sunni nation. That being said, it would make complete sense to be able to force your vassal's religion, regardless of whether they are a heretic or a heathen.

 

[atwix]

so let me get this straight, if I play Papal states and release a nation whose capital is now catholic, the nation gets released as sultanate and NOT as catholic bishopric?

Let's say I want to conquer Jerusalem area as Papal states (busy on it now), and in theory IF the Pope decides there should be a catholic Jerusalem nation as their vassal (sounds logical right, for papal states), then eu4 code sayss NOPE, Jerusalem, the holy place of catholics, is released as a sultanate?

Makes a LOAD of sense

My suggestion? If the nationalism and rebel chance of the force conversion to catholicism expired, it should be possible to release vassals of your religion in former heathen land.

Unless paradox admits this whole thing is a bug, of course.

 

[ringhloth]

I understand except for the fact I can conquer a one province nation and force it to change its religion and release it as a vassal. I did this to Theodora this game. The difference is ??????

You can't force religion of heathens. You also can demand same religious group vassals change their religion.

 

[happymix91]

so let me get this straight, if I play Papal states and release a nation whose capital is now catholic, the nation gets released as sultanate and NOT as catholic bishopric?

Let's say I want to conquer Jerusalem area as Papal states (busy on it now), and in theory IF the Pope decides there should be a catholic Jerusalem nation as their vassal (sounds logical right, for papal states), then eu4 code sayss NOPE, Jerusalem, the holy place of catholics, is released as a sultanate?

Makes a LOAD of sense

My suggestion? If the nationalism and rebel chance of the force conversion to catholicism expired, it should be possible to release vassals of your religion in former heathen land.

Unless paradox admits this whole thing is a bug, of course.

You can make catholic Jerusalem before 1650.

Also, you can make client state if you want to see cathilic bishopric.

 

[atwix]

but thats forming jerusalem right? Not releasing them as catholic vassal as Pope?

 

[happymix91]

but thats forming jerusalem right? Not releasing them as catholic vassal as Pope?

You can choose among making Kingdom of Jerusalem, ruling Jerusalem directly, and making bishopric at Jerusalem with client state system.

 

[johnleeyx]

Religion of heathen vassals should be allowed to change under subject interactions, just possibly inflicting more liberty desire.

 

[atwix]

making jerusalem as client state is beside the point this thread is about..

 

[PeterHe]

If the nation is gone forever, how can you release it? You can release it because there are some people who still think they are people of that nation, and they should believe their own religion.

If you want to make what you want, wait for technology allows you to do. Don't you know difference between vassal from once existed nation and client state which is created from none?

The nation can be released as there are some people who can consist it, so the released nation should follow their own lifestyle. Yeah it is certainly common sense.

So

You conquer some territory, you convert every single person in it to christianity (or whatever)) and then you release it as a vasal and put your good friend in charge, here you go my friend your now a duke, whereas he immidiatly decide to convert.....

Yea i can see how you consider that common sense .....

 

[Konair0s]

WAD - as of yet in spite of several threads there has been no posts from paradox about WHY they changed this, apparently it was too cheese to let your vassals convert land for you.

would all be ok if you could ask your vassal to convert to your religion via subject interaction, which you can, ONLY if they are part of your religious group.....

But how is it cheesy? All these crusade states IRL - were they chessy?

 

[Liquid Sky]

how is it common sense to convert every single person to Christianity?

 

[Straigthtsilver]

If I as Catholic Spain conquer Morocco, convert every province to Catholic, and then release it as a vassal, it makes absolutely no logical sense for it to somehow remain Muslim.

If Paradox insists on keeping this system, then they should at least give us the option to demand conversions from heathens in the vassal interaction menu.