If Real History Operated By CK2 Rules

[Maarten99]

Maybe I've been playing too much EU4 where it caps at +25 or -25%, but does it not stop at some value?

No. Ticking warscore never stops...

 

[buhite2]

No. Ticking warscore never stops...

Declared war over colony, burnt your homeland to the ground, obliterated your army, sacked you capital, slaughtered your family, carpet sieged your allies.....lost the war for not occupying a single island.

 

[DukeDayve]

BBC News report, 10 March 2015, 8am: Breaking news, Queen Elizabeth has died of natural causes. Charles is the new king of England.

BBC News report, 10 March 2015, 1pm: Breaking news, King Charles has died under suspicious circumstances just 5 hours after becoming king. Initial reports say his balcony collapsed as he was addressing guests at Buckingham Palace, but as no investigation will be carried out we shall never know.

BBC News report, 10 March 2015, 2pm. William is crowned, his brother Harry disappears to the court of the King of Monaco.

BBC News report, 10 March 2015, 5pm. King William has died of stress, his infant son George is now king with a random fruit seller from the streets of London invested as his regent.

BBC News report, 10 May 2015, 8am. Prince Harry has landed at Dover with 8,000 soldiers of the French foreign legion and is apparently marching on London.

 

[cl1xor]

1950 East-Germany

Walter Ulbricht (leader communist party)
Walter Weidauer (mayor of Dresden)

Ulbricht: "Hallo Weidauer, this is Ulbricht here, how's it going?'
Wiedauer: "Going good, counting money"
Ulbricht: "Perfect, wait, what? counting money, ok, whatever"
Ulbricht: "Listen, i heard some disturbing rumours that Dresden is not being rebuilt??"
Wiedauer: "yeah, building is overrated, counting money though.."
Ulbricht: "What's up with this counting money stuff?, shouldn't you be like, rebuilding your destroyed city?"
Wiedauer: "nah, i'm greedy now, it rules"
Ulbricht: *puts on childs voice* "if you build some walls and some markets, you would get even MORE money"
Wiedauer: 'nah, i already have enough"
Ulbricht: "that's my point, you have like 5 times GDP in your coffers and as a matter of fact, you dont even have the buildings to store it all"
WiedauerL "whatever, look i've got some serious counting to do, so if you don't mind..."

/facepalm

 

[Dakilla TM]

could easily be replaced with Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, or Romney and have the same end result

Ehhhhh not quite, maybe if Romney became President, he official religion of the US would change to Mormonism, which allows polygamy

 

[DesNibelungen]

Reims, France

May 7th, 1945

American Generals: Your country is shattered in every possible way, so we guess you'll be willing to sign this now.
*hands over the instrument of surrender*
German Generals: Yes, we still had some hopes three days ago, but now unfortunately we no longer have untouched lands or holdings or much of anything else, really. Guess it's time to sign. *signs instrument of surrender* So, what do you American Generals plan to do next?
American Generals: It's time to turn our force's full attention to the war in the Pacific.
*American generals all vanish.*

 

[harrumph]

I guess if we go back far enough, none of this ever happens. By occasionally pressing its vassals' fabricated claims, the Akkadian Empire haphazardly blobs its way across the entire Middle East, then India, Eastern Europe, and East Africa, then everything else. No matter how incompetent Sargon's descendants are, nothing ever really threatens their rule. Somebody declares independence once in a while, but they always get reabsorbed into the empire within a few decades. Eventually, there are no more wars. There is no conflict. Everyone in the world speaks Akkadian. Everyone worships Enlil. Order prevails.

 

[wackazoa]

Have you ever watched Drunk History? It sounds just like what CK2 history would sound like...

 

[Rewjeo]

Ehhhhh not quite, maybe if Romney became President, he official religion of the US would change to Mormonism, which allows polygamy

Only if, while trying to convert a county, his court chaplain discovers the FLDS heresy and Romney converts. Then we would also lose the minimum age requirement for women (or, rather, girls now).

 

[Trunting]

wait, there is a differnce between wars in the 18th century and wars in the middle ages

 

[DesNibelungen]

wait, there is a differnce between wars in the 18th century and wars in the middle ages

Not on this thread.

 

[Sirrobert1]

Declared war over colony, burnt your homeland to the ground, obliterated your army, sacked you capital, slaughtered your family, carpet sieged your allies.....lost the war for not occupying a single island.

That's how I've seen the AI lose plenty of crusades/jihads.
Utterly crush all the defenidng armies, start seiging. Defender raises tiny 200 man stacks that just replenished. Attacker sends all 30k troops to chace after tiny stack.
Repeat forever. No land is ever taken, thus defender war score ticks up to 100%, even if it started as 80% in favor of the attackers.

Fortunatly all that ticking warscore resets as soon as a single county within the target is taken, so it's not to bad in smaller wars.
Scores tick as follows: Defender gains ticks if defender holds ALL lands within the target. Attacker gains ticks if attacker holds ALL lands within the target.
Exception is declaring independance. Than, the attacker gains ticking warscore for holding all his lands (because it's the defender/former leige that has to defend is old lands). So the example of America is actually wrong. If you declare independance, you don't need to occupy lands off your former leige

 

[Ayn Mandarb]

That's how I've seen the AI lose plenty of crusades/jihads.
Utterly crush all the defenidng armies, start seiging. Defender raises tiny 200 man stacks that just replenished. Attacker sends all 30k troops to chace after tiny stack.
Repeat forever. No land is ever taken, thus defender war score ticks up to 100%, even if it started as 80% in favor of the attackers.

Fortunatly all that ticking warscore resets as soon as a single county within the target is taken, so it's not to bad in smaller wars.
Scores tick as follows: Defender gains ticks if defender holds ALL lands within the target. Attacker gains ticks if attacker holds ALL lands within the target.
Exception is declaring independance. Than, the attacker gains ticking warscore for holding all his lands (because it's the defender/former leige that has to defend is old lands). So the example of America is actually wrong. If you declare independance, you don't need to occupy lands off your former leige

Also its possible to win from warscore alone after 36 months not decades. Ticking War Score caps at 99% without any major battles until month 36. With major battles plus war score it can happen much sooner.

 

[buhite2]

ThException is declaring independance. Than, the attacker gains ticking warscore for holding all his lands (because it's the defender/former leige that has to defend is old lands). So the example of America is actually wrong. If you declare independance, you don't need to occupy lands off your former leige

Yeah thats why I made the comment about how Washington could just wait 3 decades for it to tick.

 

[Ayn Mandarb]

Yeah thats why I made the comment about how Washington could just wait 3 decades for it to tick.

3 years surely not 3 decades? Though Washington's battle war score would make it even sooner.

 

[Jorlem]

But if it was like CK2 you always can cheat and kill all the abbasids xD

Maybe I've been playing too much EU4 where it caps at +25 or -25%, but does it not stop at some value?

I've seen war score tick past 100%, because of an unsieged trade post. Other side had 100% in battles and around 80-90% in occupation (from other land), but because that trade post was the war goal, that side couldn't win.

 

[Ashagar]

Emperor Henry IV is gloats over his total control of Italy and the Papacy as Matlida of Tuscany is unable to fight because she is a woman.

 

[Trunting]

wars past then did only cost gold if u used troops. During wars in later times, wars caused damage to economy and u needed to pay for troops constantly.

 

[Tengri]

Somewhere right now, Mikhail Gorbachev is sitting around the house holding onto a claim to the empire tier Soviet Union.

Putin would love to fabricate a claim on it, but can’t because Gorbachev is unlanded.

 

[buhite2]

3 years surely not 3 decades? Though Washington's battle war score would make it even sooner.

I am known to indulge in a bit of hyperbole from time to time. I mean really when was the last time you saw an independance revolt win till ticking war score? The rebellion either crushes its liege or the liege has time to raise army after army until the rebellion falls, or just ignore it until all his other wars are over then crush it.