If my liege demands that I mobilise my troops and I refuse...

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What are the possible consequences?

I find that whenever I am playing a vassal, if I allow my liege to mobilie my troops, he will send them off to some far away war, leaving my lands completely defenceless so they get conquered and I lose the game.

So are there any negative consequences to just refusing to mobilise and keeping my men to defend myself?

 

[Kaleidoscope]

You lose loyalty every time.

 

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There's a few well known tricks that will help you deal with the 'Liege Wants your Troops' event.

A: If you agree to letting him have your troops, always set your Troop Maintenance Slider to 0. Your Liege will pay for those troops and they won't take a hit for loss of wages and you won't go into debt paying for HIS war.

B: If you don't want him to have those troops, but you aren't ready to deal with the 'loyalty hits' (which if it gets low enough, might give you the Rebellious trait and those events leading from that), then DON'T click yes or no. You've got about a 2 month grace period so you can now do one of two things.

1. Once the Liege asks for your troops, pause the game, mobilize them yourself, set Maintenance to 0, click YES then just leave those troops where they are. In most cases those individual garrisons can easily fit under the 'troop maintenance' for those provinces without attrition at 0 wages. If you mobilize them before clicking yes, then you retain full control over those troops (and full responsibility for their costs).

2. If for some reason you don't want those troops sitting around (province is in rebellion/disease/etc), leave that request alone, then wait until 2 or 3 days is left of that 2 month timer, pause the game, raise your troops, click YES, then immediately de-mobilize those troops. Your Liege will most likely ask for them again in the next few days, but you once again have 2 months before you need to repeat these steps.

 

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And if you keep refusing you may get Rebelious trait I think (which is nice if you're a vassal, not so much when you're a king and have rebelious vassals )

Wht you can do, is to mobilise your forces and than say yes to your liege. Since your forces are mobilized, he won't be able to control them. Still, you should keep them mobilized (which is quite expensive). The moment you tell them to go home, your liege will ask for mobilization again. Your choice.

EDIT: GJScarritt said it nicely.

 

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And if you keep refusing you may get Rebelious trait I think (which is nice if you're a vassal, not so much when you're a king and have rebelious vassals )
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The main problem I've found with having the Rebellious trait as a Vassal, is the game then tends to throw more events at you, which almost force you to actually declare war on your Liege. I'd much rather do that in my time, not when the game almost forces me into it.

Also, If you're a Duke with the Rebellious Trait, YOUR vassals tend to get events that make them want to declare independence from you, or they also get that Trait.

If your loyalty gets low enough, your Liege seems 'more' likely to declare war on you (if he's got any claim at all), so it's a 'balancing on the point of a knife' kind of thing.

 

[jordarkelf]

If you refuse, your liege gets a claim on you. Eventually he will demand you give up your title or DOW you.

 

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I guess that the best thing to do is to wait, till other vassals in your liege's kingdom get rebelious trait, then try to get your own (by declining your liege). Better chances to survive when you decide to go independent, since other dukes will try to break free too. Timing is important here.

 

[TempestDK]

I think the liege will only ask until you agree. So if you have several provinces, you can mobilize all excpt one small regiment, then agree, and let the liege tak control of the unmobilized regiment, then demobilize the others. That way you make him happy, and keep cpntrol of most of your own troops.

This of course doesn't work if you are a one-province count

 

[Kaleidoscope]

I think the liege will only ask until you agree. So if you have several provinces, you can mobilize all excpt one small regiment, then agree, and let the liege tak control of the unmobilized regiment, then demobilize the others. That way you make him happy, and keep cpntrol of most of your own troops

I don't think this works, I tried the same thing a couple of days agao as a French Duke. He'll keep asking until all of your troops are mobilised.

 

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I don't think this works, I tried the same thing a couple of days agao as a French Duke. He'll keep asking until all of your troops are mobilised.

True. If you by chance capture a new province, and you aren't able to manually mobilize it because there are far too few troops in it, your Liege will once again ask for you to mobilize your troops. Since I can't mobilize that province, I let my Liege have it and they magically mobilize. I hope he's happy with a whopping 14 troops.