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Originally posted by Karl Martell
But in Vicky, almost every Balkan nation will be trying to do the exact same... inaugurate greater Serbia or the Great Bulgarian Empire or the great Romanian Kingdom spanning from the Tisa to the Dniestr
You will not be alone
Czar Ferdinand of Bulgaria kept a full Byzantine regailia, bought from a theatrical outfitting company, with him in a chest just in case his army took Constantinople.
No wonder his fellow monarchs thought he was a twit...
Well if someone wants to play the Empire and not in game but we still have user defined tags, I can try to make Shield and flag for them
The whole kaboodle? No.
But just Smyrna and maybe its extended hinterland? Yes.
Even the battle at Sakarya was touch-and-go, and a Turkish defeat there could easily have upset the political set-up and coomand in Ankara, thereby allowing for a very advantageous peace.
Or, alternatively, if the Brits had backed the Greeks to the full extent of their earlier intimations, then the Turks would probably not have had a chance.
In retrospect, I think it was a gamble worth taking for the Greeks.
EDIT: Finally, over 2 years after I joined this forum, I am now a Colonel.
Originally posted by Tagsatzung
If the Greeks are successful they should get italian and slavonic cultures
Thinking about rebuilding Justinian's empire 1200 years later, are we?
Originally posted by Marcus Valerius
Thinking about rebuilding Justinian's empire 1200 years later, are we?
They would need arab and Turkish culture for that too.
Originally posted by Chengar Qordath
They would need arab and Turkish culture for that too.
Of course, but that would be a start, wouldn't it?
This question would probably suit a EUII forum but, i still wonder..
What if Turks take Rome?
Already the Turkish Sultans had two crowns, one for Moslems and one for the Orthodox people from all around the world.
Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem and Constantinople.. only Rome was left out due to the untimely death of Mehmed II the Conqueror when he was poisoned while on his way to an Italian campaign.
It wasn't very likely on Victoria era though.
What if Turks take Rome?
Already the Turkish Sultans had two crowns, one for Moslems and one for the Orthodox people from all around the world.
Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem and Constantinople.. only Rome was left out due to the untimely death of Mehmed II the Conqueror when he was poisoned while on his way to an Italian campaign.
It wasn't very likely on Victoria era though.
There is no way in hell that the turks would be allowed to take rome in the Vicky timespan. While it wouldn't upset the balance of power it would be a huge symbological defeat for catholisicm and christianity as a whole. I believe Britain France and Austria Hungary would all have intervened and probably most balkan countries, if turkey tried this.
Tunch, I would expect very few players (Ebbesen and a few others) to be able to do what you suggest. What with reforms, reaction, nationalism, de-industrialisation and competition going on, I would expect it to be tough merely to exapnd to, say, 1682 boundaries.
If there is a balance of power element in this game, then somehow the OE needs to get re-organised, improve its army and finances beyond those of Russia and Austro-Hungary combined and go for Rome before, say, 1850 and the nationalist disaffection in your provinces starts needing attention. Tall order, I would hope. Otherwise the game would be too easy.
If there is a balance of power element in this game, then somehow the OE needs to get re-organised, improve its army and finances beyond those of Russia and Austro-Hungary combined and go for Rome before, say, 1850 and the nationalist disaffection in your provinces starts needing attention. Tall order, I would hope. Otherwise the game would be too easy.
How was he getting to Italy, taxi?
I think the inevitability of an Ottoman conquest of Rome at any time in history is a little......optimistic.
What Alain said.
Think about the game Victoria is supposed to represent. The balance of power is THE most important factor in the history of this period. Greece only got to invade Turkey in the chaos following WW1. Which is really outside the scope of the game (although I'm positive the modders will have something to say about that
Still i would like to see an event "in case" it happens...
=))
coz, either Vienna or Rome are the two cities that remained as the most desired cities by Turks..
Ah, especially Vienna..
God knows how many times i laid siege in EUII...
=)
=))
coz, either Vienna or Rome are the two cities that remained as the most desired cities by Turks..
Ah, especially Vienna..
God knows how many times i laid siege in EUII...
=)
Oh probably the same chances the Greeks have of independently conquering Constantinople and recreating the Byzantine Empire
I dont know what if Turkey is allied to Germany and Austria-Hungary in a war (as far fetched as that would be) and a large invasion of Italy results in Turkish troops happening to be the ones who march into Rome.
The Austro-Hungarians would break the alliance if the Turks took three steps toward Rome, the Germans would not take kindly to it either.
I dont know, I think that Greece had more possibilites then some people think. If it had managed to destabalized the massive Coptic population the Turkish Christian &Syrian population it could have taken *substantial* parts of the OE, if not almost annexed it. THough in that case it would have been more a seperate, Christian/Greek dynasty of the Ottoman Empire.
I dont know, I think that Greece had more possibilites then some people think. If it had managed to destabalized the massive Coptic population the Turkish Christian &Syrian population it could have taken *substantial* parts of the OE, if not almost annexed it. THough in that case it would have been more a seperate, Christian/Greek dynasty of the Ottoman Empire.
Greece lacked the population, armed strength, and economic power to commit to any kind of protracted war outside of independence alone. In any future war, sheer mobs of Ottoman troops would become a problem, not to mention losing British support and angering the Russians when you get the straits first.
Of course, that won't stop me from trying to get it any ways
Of course, that won't stop me from trying to get it any ways
I think he was being sarcastic.
Also the Russians would probably not mind Greece owning Constantinople, as Russia would prefer a fellow Orthodox state controlling the straits to the previous Sunni Turk owners. I would imagine that Russia and Greece would have come to an agreement for Russian access through the straits soon after the fall of Constantinople.