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I have some ideas for winter war events.

I. When SU demands Finnish territories if Finland secedes demanded area then there should be an event which should make a choice to change Finnish government to communistic one. Historically Winter War was the consequnce of Finnish decision not to secede land area to SU.

Winter War created a strong spirit in Finnish people which probably prevented communist coup. Communistic coup would be possible if Finland decides to secede demanded land to SU and Finland would choose the similar road that Baltic countries historically selected. I think that there should be a theoretical chance that Finland would turn a communistic nation. However if Finland would turn communistic she would lose her generals because Finland had a civilwar 1918 and Finnish generals fought that war in white army. Communists would probably purge them as a potential threat.

II. I think that if Finland signs a peace to end the Winter War then there should an event that brings peace between SU and Allies. If Finland signs peace then Allies would have no reason to continue a war with SU. If SU decides to annex Finland and she would have a war against Allies too this event wouldn´t work because Allies would like to see independent Finland.

This event also would limit the German Winter War exploit. If Germany leaves Czechslovakia alone and conquers Poland and waits that SU first declares a war against a democracy and then Allies would declare war on SU. In this situation Germany would take advantage and conquer other countries when allies are engaged in a war against SU.

Any ideas or thoughts?
 

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I don't think a Communist coup is very likely. Do you have any info on who would be the Head of State etc?

Ref. the Winter War there's something to be said for Allied-Comintern peace if Finland signs a peace but I'd rather stop the Allied-Comintern war from happening in the first place since it's a bit of a showstopper. This is quite easily done with some extra triggers to prevent AI USSR from starting the Winter War if Germany is not at war with the Allies.
 

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It is true that Communist coup wasn´t likely. However if Finland secedes her eastern provinces that would make it more likely as communists would have better chance to try to stage a coup. I think that player could select whether Finland stay democratic or become communistic nation.

As far as I understand Paradox already has a communistic government for Finland. I guess that the members of that government would be from so called "Terijoki" government. They were communists who fled to SU after Finland´s civilwar in 1918. I think that the head of the government would be Otto Wille Kuusinen. a prominent Finnish communist and a close associate to Stalin. I will check that.

Well, the Allies are quite aggressive in HOI now. If someone declares a war to a neutral democracy and there is no war between the Allies and other powers the Allies will declare a war to the attacking party. During Winter War period there was a risk that there would be a war between Allies and SU and this risk is modelled. I think that a peace between Allies and SU in this case should be the consequence of a peace between Finland and SU.

There is the mod for Finnish leaders:
Click here.
 
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Originally posted by Steel
I don't think a Communist coup is very likely. Do you have any info on who would be the Head of State etc?

There's a full Finnish commie shadow cabinet in 1.03b. The list of names was researched by me, I hereby shamelessly announce. :D

It's the Terijoki puppet government that Stalin planned to install, had USSR won in Winter War.
 

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Re: thoughts

Originally posted by crester2001
seperatly why isn't their a manterhorn line in game

You mean the Mannerheim line? Good point. There should be 1 or 2 fortifications in Viipuri (Sortavala too?).
 

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There ARE 2 fortifications in Viipuri.
 

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About communist coup!

Otto Kuusela could be Head of State because he had a mission to form a new goverment in Finland and tell Allies that Soviet invasion is just "peaceful annex".

Good thing that Kuusela never raised to throne! :p
 

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Well, im finally gonna get the game tonight, so,

I hope the Mannerheim line in the 1939 scenario reflects the line's true strength, which was not in the concrete and machine gun nest but in the soldiers that manned them.