Ideas for new formable nations

unmerged(128725) · May 14, 2011

Austria (does not exists, austrian primary culture, own Wien)
Saxony (does not exists, saxon primary culture, own Leipzig and Dresden, but Brandenburg has AI-will-do=0)
Bavaria (does not exists, bavarian primary culture, own Munich)

Poland (does not exists, polish primary culture OR Prussia, even if Prussia has AI-will-do=0)
Greece (does not exists, greek primary culture, own Athens and SPARTAAA)

Caliphate (does not exists, own Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem) with cores on the peninsula, Iraq, Syria and Jerusalem.
Egypt (I am sooo missing this)

Oh, and the union of France and England? Normannia

unmerged(297342) · May 14, 2011

An option to Form the Angevin Empire would be cool, requiring all the cores needed to form France and England, and giving cores on all existing French, English and British cores, as well as any cores given by the formation of England and France.

DanubianCossak · May 14, 2011

Herbert said:
Austria (does not exists, austrian primary culture, own Wien)
Saxony (does not exists, saxon primary culture, own Leipzig and Dresden, but Brandenburg has AI-will-do=0)
Bavaria (does not exists, bavarian primary culture, own Munich)

Poland (does not exists, polish primary culture OR Prussia, even if Prussia has AI-will-do=0)
Greece (does not exists, greek primary culture, own Athens and SPARTAAA)

Caliphate (does not exists, own Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem) with cores on the peninsula, Iraq, Syria and Jerusalem.
Egypt (I am sooo missing this)

Oh, and the union of France and England? Normannia

Austria:

Code:

	austrian_nation = {
		potential = {
			NOT = { exists = HAB }
			primary_culture = austrian
		}
		allow = 
		{
			owns = 134		# Wien
			is_core = 134		# Wien, i strongly suggest this. 
			
			war = no #standard requirement
		}
		effect = {
			HAB = {
				austria = {
					add_core = HAB
				}
			}
			random_owned = {
				base_tax = 1
			}
			centralization_decentralization = -2
			prestige = 0.05
			change_tag = HAB
#			HAB = {                 #this is a standard effect, but id advide against it, in case of HRE/no HRE weirdness if you want it, just remove 3 X"#"
#				capital = 134
#			}
		}
		ai_will_do = {
			factor = 1
		}
		ai_importance = 400    #if potential is met, nations are very likely to do whatever is needed to accomplish "allow ="
	}
	
}

Saxony:

Code:

	saxon_nation = {
		potential = {
			NOT = { exists = SAX }
			primary_culture = saxon
			NOT = { tag = BRA }
		}
		allow = {
			owns = 62			# Leipzig
			is_core = 62		# Leipzig
			
			owns = 61			# Dresden
			is_core = 61		# Dresden			
			
			war = no
		}
		effect = {
#			SAX = {
#				add_core =  #if you want cores here, find their IDs
#			}
			random_owned = {
				base_tax = 1
			}
			centralization_decentralization = -2
			prestige = 0.05
			change_tag = SAX
#			SAX = {
#				capital = 62
#			}
		}
		ai_will_do = {
			factor = 1
		}
		ai_importance = 400    #if potential is met, nations are very likely to do whatever is needed to accomplish "allow ="
	}

Bavaria:

Code:

	bavarian_nation = {
		potential = {
			NOT = { exists = BAV }
			primary_culture = bavarian
		}
		allow = {
			owns = 65			# München
			is_core = 65		# München
			
			
			war = no
		}
		effect = {
#			BAV = {
#				add_core =  #if you want cores here, find their IDs
#			}
			random_owned = {
				base_tax = 1
			}
			centralization_decentralization = -2
			prestige = 0.05
			change_tag = BAV
#			BAV = {
#				capital = 65
#			}
		}
		ai_will_do = {
			factor = 1
		}
		ai_importance = 400    #if potential is met, nations are very likely to do whatever is needed to accomplish "allow ="
	}

Poland:

Code:

	polish_nation = {
		potential = {
			NOT = { exists = POL }
			OR = {
				primary_culture = polish
				primary_culture = prussian #im not sure why this, but ure the boss
			}
			NOT = { tag = PRU }			 
		}
		allow = {
			owns = 262			# Krakow
			is_core = 262		# Krakow
			
			owns = 257			# Mazovia/Warsaw
			is_core = 257		# Mazovia/Warsaw
			
			war = no
		}
		effect = {
#			POL = {
#				add_core =  #if you want cores here, find their IDs
#			}
			random_owned = {
				base_tax = 1
			}
			centralization_decentralization = -2
			prestige = 0.05
			change_tag = POL
#			POL = {
#				capital = 257
#			}
		}
		ai_will_do = {
			factor = 1
		}
		ai_importance = 400    #if potential is met, nations are very likely to do whatever is needed to accomplish "allow ="
	}

Greece:

Code:

	greek_nation = {
		potential = {
			NOT = { exists = GRE }
			primary_culture = greek
			NOT = { tag = BYZ }			 
		}
		allow = {
			owns = 146			# Athens
			is_core = 146		# Athens
			
			owns = 145			# I think Sparta is here, but its not a provincial capital
			is_core = 145		# 
			
			war = no
		}
		effect = {
#			GRE = {
#				add_core =  #if you want cores here, find their IDs
#			}
			random_owned = {
				base_tax = 1
			}
			centralization_decentralization = -2
			prestige = 0.05
			change_tag = GRE
#			GRE = {
#				capital = 146
#			}
		}
		ai_will_do = {
			factor = 1
		}
		ai_importance = 400    #if potential is met, nations are very likely to do whatever is needed to accomplish "allow ="
	}

Im too lazy to write Caliphate since it would require a few different entries.

unmerged(243793) · May 14, 2011

Herbert said:
Oh, and the union of France and England? Normannia

Not exactly that but here's Normandy:

country_decisions = {

normandian_nation = {
potential = {
NOT = { exists = NRM }
NOT = { tag = FRA }
NOT = { tag = NRM }
NOT = { tag = HRE }
NOT = { tag = PAP }
OR = {
culture_group = french
primary_culture = normand
}
}
allow =
{
owns = 168 # Normandie
owns = 167 # Caux

is_core = 168 # Normandie
is_core = 167 # Caux

}
effect = {
NRM = {
add_core = 168 # Normandie
add_core = 167 # Caux
}
colonists = 1
random_owned = {
base_tax = 2

}
prestige = 0.05
change_tag = NRM
NRM = {
capital = 168
}
}
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
}
ai_importance = 100
}

}

DanubianCossak · May 14, 2011

Hahaha i think there is DEFINITELY something wrong with this game, if we have to put:

Code:

       NOT = { tag = PAP }

in form Norman (and other) Nation decision :rofl:

Mongoose87 · May 14, 2011

DanubianCossak said:
Hahaha i think there is DEFINITELY something wrong with this game, if we have to put:

Code:

NOT = { tag = PAP }

in form Norman (and other) Nation decision :rofl:

You could have Gelre go on a conquering spree, take both Norman provinces, lose most of their others, have a cultural shift, then become the new home of an annexed Papacy.

Me_ · May 14, 2011

Herbert said:
Poland (does not exists, polish primary culture OR Prussia, even if Prussia has AI-will-do=0)

Just out of curiosity what line of thought could possibly make anyone include THAT (Prussia)?

unmerged(128725) · May 15, 2011

Me_ said:
Just out of curiosity what line of thought could possibly make anyone include THAT (Prussia)?

The TO, while officially exlusively under HRE overlordship, always had ambiguous relationships with the kingdom of Poland. United against pagans, divided by trade and expansion politics. After Tannenberg (1410) the Prussian region came under Polish suzerainty. However, had Poland disappeared early on and Prussia abided or resurfaced, the latter might have used this link to claim the Polish title, in order to ease its own eastward expansion.

Me_ · May 15, 2011

Well, first off neither the TO, nor Prussia ever had, laid or had a plan to laid a claim to the Polish crown. The logic used could just as well justify adding Finland to Form Russia decision or Denmark to Form Germany. Also I have no idea where you got the impression that "After Tannenberg (1410) the Prussian region came under Polish suzerainty.". Teutonic Order only lost a small part of its territory to Poland that was not even in the Prussia (region) after the Great War with the Order. Heck, I'm pretty sure the only land ceded was that captured during the war (TO also lost land to Lithuania, but that is beside the point). Parts of Prussia only came under Polish suzerainity after the war of 1519-1521.
If anything Russia would be a better candidate as it did lay claim to Polish Crown, also probably Silesia because of earlier historical ties.

midget_roxx · May 15, 2011

Infocalypse said:
Let's see:

Argentinia

Brazil

Central American Union

Venezuela

All of these are already in :/

For me it would be nice to see Greece and some carribean revolter states

unmerged(243793) · May 15, 2011

DanubianCossak said:
Hahaha i think there is DEFINITELY something wrong with this game, if we have to put:

Code:

NOT = { tag = PAP }

in form Norman (and other) Nation decision :rofl:

Berry could take Norman provinces and culture shift.

unmerged(243793) · May 15, 2011

midget_roxx said:
All of these are already in :/

For me it would be nice to see Greece and some carribean revolter states

He meant as formable nations not revolters.

unmerged(128725) · May 15, 2011

Me_ said:
Well, first off neither the TO, nor Prussia ever had, laid or had a plan to laid a claim to the Polish crown. The logic used could just as well justify adding Finland to Form Russia decision or Denmark to Form Germany. Also I have no idea where you got the impression that "After Tannenberg (1410) the Prussian region came under Polish suzerainty.". Teutonic Order only lost a small part of its territory to Poland that was not even in the Prussia (region) after the Great War with the Order. Heck, I'm pretty sure the only land ceded was that captured during the war (TO also lost land to Lithuania, but that is beside the point). Parts of Prussia only came under Polish suzerainity after the war of 1519-1521.
If anything Russia would be a better candidate as it did lay claim to Polish Crown, also probably Silesia because of earlier historical ties.

I was thinking about Royal Prussia when I wrote about Polish overlordship. I would say that Danzig is a significal part of Prussia.

Prussia of course never claimed the throne of Poland. My point was that, if Poland had ceased to exist quite early in history - say, overrun by the Golden Horde - a very aggressive duke of Prussia might have claimed the title.

EuIII being a "what if" history game with Italy, Ireland, Hindustan and Malaya in, I thought my proposal would fit, and bring some "action possibility" within the rather boring decision setup of the Jagellonian empire. Think about it: Prussian military reforms and Polish Hussars together. Into. Space.

Me_ · May 15, 2011

Herbert said:
I was thinking about Royal Prussia when I wrote about Polish overlordship. I would say that Danzig is a significal part of Prussia.

Prussia of course never claimed the throne of Poland. My point was that, if Poland had ceased to exist quite early in history - say, overrun by the Golden Horde - a very aggressive duke of Prussia might have claimed the title.

EuIII being a "what if" history game with Italy, Ireland, Hindustan and Malaya in, I thought my proposal would fit, and bring some "action possibility" within the rather boring decision setup of the Jagellonian empire. Think about it: Prussian military reforms and Polish Hussars together. Into. Space.

Royal Prussia, which did not become part of Poland after the battle of Tannenberg (as your earlier point suggested) and neither did Danzig. Basicly you just want a superpowered army. Also, Prussia forming Poland IS still just as realistic as Finland forming Russia.
I fail to see why you did not include Poland and Prussia as candidates for forming Austria. Think of it, Hussars, Prussian Drill and Hofkriegsrat. Heck, let them also form the Caliphate, after all it's about alternate history.

Emperor Hans · May 15, 2011

I'm confused with some suggestions concerning poland actually, why would a prussian cultured nation form Poland ?

unmerged(128725) · May 15, 2011

Me_ said:
Royal Prussia, which did not become part of Poland after the battle of Tannenberg [...] Basicly you just want a superpowered army.[...]

Not immediately thereafter, no. But in 1466, after a chain of events which, I believe, starts with Tannenberg.
Of course I meant the stuff about the synergic reforms as a joke. Can you be serious when using "into space"?

Emperor Hans: have a look at this.

Me_ · May 15, 2011

Herbert said:
Not immediately thereafter, no. But in 1466, after a chain of events which, I believe, starts with Tannenberg.

Actually as a result of a completely separate war - the Thirteen Years War (Polish-Teutonic edition).

Herbert said:
Of course I meant the stuff about the synergic reforms as a joke. Can you be serious when using "into space"?

Considering the amount of threads about how to take as many nation-specific decision or how to create super-soldiers I_ have seen, it's not surprising I_ didn't get the joke.

unmerged(75409) · May 16, 2011

I would like there to be more dynamic colonial revolters. The USA should be EUA if a Spanish speaking nation has colonized north america ("Estados Unidos de America"). The other American revolters should have stuff like leader names, ship names etc taken from dynamic lists, so we can have a Dutch Brazil with Dutch leader names too. Possibly also their country names. (Venezuela --> Nieuw Venetie / Venezien; Colombia --> Vespuccia / Magellania )

I would prefer that over more fluff like Assyria

HabemusZlatan · May 16, 2011

Leviathan07 said:
I would like there to be more dynamic colonial revolters. The USA should be EUA if a Spanish speaking nation has colonized north america ("Estados Unidos de America"). The other American revolters should have stuff like leader names, ship names etc taken from dynamic lists, so we can have a Dutch Brazil with Dutch leader names too. Possibly also their country names. (Venezuela --> Nieuw Venetie / Venezien; Colombia --> Vespuccia / Magellania )

I would prefer that over more fluff like Assyria

Ybakgibumpti · May 16, 2011

Have another formable iberian nation where Portugal is intergrated into Castille instead of Aragon (you could obviously form Spain too) - like on that vicky 2 mod. Or is this a bit too minor for ye likings?

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